Insights questions on the use of Steel Design

When it is necessary to make bird's eye in the design of the steel roof over the reinforced concrete building, there is no bird's eye function in the ROOF icon in the static-steel module. Adding the bird's eye function in the architecture module to the static-steel module will make our designs easier. Please take this into consideration in the update. Good work......
 
Scissor-column combination problem good day I want to make the ideal structure column and truss junction as shown in the figure, but I could not find which type of connection to use with bolts. My file is attached.
 
Hello there; First of all, remove the uprights corresponding to the column head over the scissor features - additional features - valve boxes. To avoid conflicts, delete the joints connecting the last strut and truss heads. Then you can use the butt plate truss joint in the joint list.
 
Greetings, attached is the reinforced concrete building with the ground floor, and the additional steel system building project on the upper floor is modeled with idecad 8.64. The effect of the steel columns added on the existing reinforced concrete beams in our project on the existing reinforced concrete beams is not seen in the reports. (load+moment+impact etc.) Where can you see all the effects of the steel columns being added to the reinforced concrete beam below in the reports?
 
Hello there; In the programs that are modeled together, there is no such thing as no load transfer from one to the other. In the reports, g, q, w, s etc. you enter the whole structure. The analysis is done at once under the loads and the internal forces are obtained. That's why you won't see any load from the steel structure in the reports. If you want to prove it, you can take a screenshot from the program interface and add it to the report. For this, follow these steps. 1 - Take a screenshot by selecting the desired combinations for all internal forces from the perspective screen right-click analysis display section effects section. 2- Again, from the Perspective screen right-click analysis display - Deformations section, take a screenshot from one of the modal states to show that the entire structure is analyzed at once. Or you can have the inspectors examine the analysis results of the model through the program. Good work.
 
Hi Nurgül, Point load values can be shown by writing the column name, just as the load table on beams shows the load from which slab, if there is a reinforced concrete or steel column on it. Of course, there will be load consequences in this static state.
 
Hello there; Is the reason for the demand of the control mechanism because the general steel - reinforced concrete solutions in the country are made separately and the steel results in the superstructure are given to the reinforced concrete elements as a support reaction and the reinforced concrete design is made by including these loads and reported in this way? In the meantime, it is important to determine the reason for this demand. In the programs that model and solve together, there is no such thing as the load of the element coming from the top, since the elements of the structural system are solved at once. All of them are internal force output as a result of analysis. If we can understand the logic of this request, we can find a more appropriate solution according to the program logic. Could you please briefly explain the reason for this request?
 
Hello Nurgul; "Is the reason for the demand of the inspection mechanism because the general steel - reinforced concrete solutions in the country are made separately and the steel results in the superstructure are given to the reinforced concrete elements as a support reaction and the reinforced concrete design is made by including these loads and reported in this way?" Yes, you are absolutely right in this determination, but there is a shortcoming in the program: 1- While B3 irregularity detection is made automatically for reinforced concrete columns resting on beams, this detection is not made for steel columns. 2- While the names of columns or beams on which they are supported for reinforced concrete beams are written in the reports, they are not written for steel beams. 3- If a report about the B3 irregularity is developed and information such as the information of the element causing this irregularity (name, on which floor it is defined, on which beam it is supported), doubts will be eliminated. I tried to model this situation with a small example. Best regards.
 
"nurgulkaya":2u3pbyfz" said:
Hi; Is the reason for the request of the inspection mechanism because the general steel - reinforced concrete solutions in the country are made separately and the steel results in the superstructure are given to the reinforced concrete elements as a support reaction and the reinforced concrete design is made by including these loads and reported in this way? By the way, the important thing is to determine the reason for this demand. In the programs that model and solve together, there is no such thing as the load of the element coming from the top, since the structural system elements are solved in one go. All of them are the internal force output as a result of the analysis. If we can understand the logic of your request, it will be more convenient and the program We can find a solution according to the logic of the logic, please, can you briefly explain the reason for this request?
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Ms. Nurgül I agree with what you said. As you said, normally when it is done separately, it is acted as an external load and this is the solution. But in this solution, the mass of the steel structure is neglected. for the building the actual dynamic behavior is not calculated. I think the administration's request is to see the static loads on the beam. That's why I said. Of course, it is debatable whether it is necessary to activate this feature. That's why I said "can be shown" in my previous post :)
 
TDY-2007 Article 2.3.2.4 (b) of the earthquake code, in case the column rests on a beam supported from both ends, in all sections of the beam and also in all sections of the other beams and columns joining to the nodal points where this beam is connected in the earthquake direction considered, vertical loads and the combined effect of the earthquake All internal force values will be increased by 50%. is called. For this reason, the loads on the reinforced concrete beam on which the steel beam sits and on the other continuous beams and columns should be increased by 50%. Is this augmentation process carried out in our program? As far as it is seen, incoming downloads are only increased by 100% as DL and LL. Where can it be observed in the reports that the earthquake loads are increased? During the control of the related project, we are asked to prove it by the Chamber of Civil Engineers.
 
"nurgulkaya":zd5owc8e" said:
Hi; Is the reason for the request of the inspection mechanism because the general steel - reinforced concrete solutions in the country are made separately and the steel results in the superstructure are given to the reinforced concrete elements as a support reaction and the reinforced concrete design is made by including these loads and reported in this way? By the way, the important thing is to determine the reason for this demand. In the programs that model and solve together, there is no such thing as the load of the element coming from the top, since the structural system elements are solved in one go. All of them are the internal force output as a result of the analysis. If we can understand the logic of your request, it will be more convenient and the program We can find a solution according to the logic of this request, please, can you briefly explain the reason for this request?
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TDY-2007 Article 2.3.2.4 of the earthquake code. (b) In case the column sits on a beam supported from both ends, this will occur in all sections of the beam and also in the direction of the earthquake considered. to the nodes where the beam is connected b In all cross-sections of the other beams and columns that converge, all internal force values resulting from the combined effect of vertical loads and earthquake will be increased by 50%. is called. For this reason, the loads on the reinforced concrete beam on which the steel beam sits and on the other continuous beams and columns should be increased by 50%. Is this augmentation process carried out in our program? As far as it is seen, incoming downloads are only increased by 100% as DL and LL. Where can it be observed in the reports that the earthquake loads are increased? During the control of the related project, we are asked to prove it by the Chamber of Civil Engineers.
 
Hello there; In accordance with DBYBHY 2007 2.3.2.4(B), the loads on the beam are directly increased by 2 times as you show in the report. You can see it directly in the beam loads section. Your first question is 'The effect of the steel columns added on the existing reinforced concrete beams in our project on the existing reinforced concrete beams is not seen in the reports. (load+moment+impact etc.) Where can you see all the effects of the steel columns being added to the reinforced concrete beam below in the reports? ' part of the question you mentioned was not clear. Except for the loads on the beam, there is no place where you can show this situation in its current state. In TBDY 2018, this item was changed and evolved into the calculation of the vertical earthquake effect with the spectrum. For this reason, when you want to show the increase in IMO, please intervene in the program from the outside for situations other than the beam report. Good work.
 
"2m project":1fjvumc0" said:
"Is the reason for the demand of the inspection mechanism because the general steel - reinforced concrete solutions in the country are made separately and the steel results in the superstructure are given to the reinforced concrete elements as a support reaction and the reinforced concrete design is made by including these loads and reported in this way? " Yes, you are absolutely right in this determination, but there is a shortcoming in the program: 1- While B3 irregularity detection is made automatically for reinforced concrete columns resting on beams, this detection is not made for steel columns. 2- For reinforced concrete beams, the names of columns or beams on which they are supported are written in the reports, but not for steel beams 3- If a report on B3 irregularity is developed and information such as the element causing this irregularity (name, which floor is defined, which beam is supported), doubts will be eliminated.
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Working on the development of the report on B3 irregularity for steel structures to be done noted. Good work.
 
Good day, good work. I am a user of İdecad Çelik 10. In order to combine the truss system I created with the column, when I select the truss/support joint area from the Join menu, it makes an incorrect joint like the picture below. Even if I make the columns HEA and the truss profiles 2xL, the same error continues. Thank you in advance for your help. Idecad File:
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Hello there; You did not use the appropriate combination for the support area. I am sending the edited version of your project in attachment. In the pictures you can also see the appropriate combination. You should use the combination in the red frame, the macro below that says "Scissor Brace Join" is for different situations. Best regards
 
Good day, by using ideCAD V10, can calculations and drawings of the projects made in ideCAD8.64 and, if requested, be made entirely in accordance with the 2007 earthquake code?
 
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