Architectural/Static Column placement!

[Technicalman]

Hello to everyone. Friends who design reinforced concrete projects, do you design the columns in the architectural project yourself or do you want columns from the architects? What do you do if you don't want to change a drawing that comes with a ready column in a 5-7 floor plan? Or when you place columns on the floor plan yourself, how can you be sure that these columns are salvageable in a static sense? (Without multi-level analysis) Two friends are considering opening a static office. I worked at the construction site in the kitchen of the business for years, based on these experiences, now I want to do my own business and have a different experience. I would be very pleased if experienced friends could share their experience and advice.

 

[NYILMAZ]

Experienced and good architects definitely do something about the load-bearing system. Multi-storey low-rise, it doesn't matter. The architect should establish a minimum load-bearing system for the building to stand. This can be a carrier system that will change completely, or it can happen in general. It should foresee where beams can pass, where columns can be, how these can affect my design positively or negatively. But for some reason, we don't see this type of work much nowadays. They're scratching the walls. There are times when you can't understand where the console is going. It places the door at the zero point, when you put a column, the door does not enter. Even if they place a colon, the above problems are always experienced because they consider their size to be minimal. They can't afford to say, "You can't change that." After all, there is an account and there is a book. This happens through mutual work. No one should cling to "this is how it's going to be". What is essential (or should be) for a good architect and engineer; The engineer should work by keeping the concerns and expectations of the architect in the foreground, and the architect should also understand the language of the engineer and be able to foresee where he will have difficulties while designing his project. After all, I would like the architect to do a preliminary study, even if it is bad. Sometimes we do this: I dress the architect's design with a load-bearing system depending on our experience. Then the architect reshape the design according to him. It comes to us again. We calculate and give the final shape, send it back to the architect and let him give it its final shape. It is beneficial to work together as long as possible. I hope it was useful. N. YILMAZ

 

[Technicalman]

Experienced and good architects definitely do something about the structural system. Multi-storey low-rise, it doesn't matter. at least a load-bearing system should be established. This can be a carrier system that will change completely, but it can happen in general. Where the beams can pass, where the column might be, how these can affect my design positively or negatively. But for some reason, we don't see this type of work much nowadays. There are times when you can't understand where the console is going through. It places the door at the zero point, when you put a column, the door does not enter. Even if they place a column, the above problems always occur because they think their size is minimal. They can't afford to say "You can't change this". After all, there is a book. It happens with work. No one should cling to "this is how it will be" What is (or should be) for a good architect and engineer ; The engineer should work by keeping the concerns and expectations of the architect in the foreground, and the architect should also understand the language of the engineer and be able to foresee where he will have difficulties while designing his project. After all, I would like the architect to do a preliminary study, even if it is bad. Sometimes we do this: I dress the architect's design with a load-bearing system depending on our experience. Then the architect reshape the design according to him. It comes to us again. We calculate and give the final shape, send it back to the architect and let him give it its final shape. It is beneficial to work together as long as possible. I hope it was useful. N. YILMAZ

N. YILMAZ Thank you for your interest and comment. The reason why I opened this topic is because of the problems I saw at the construction site. For example. I saw 28f14 reinforcements inside 30/60 columns in the basement of a B+Z+1-2-3-4 storey building with a height of 4.70 m. While it was obvious that the section where the columns were forced was not enough, I somehow contacted the engineer, thinking about the reinforcement coming from the upper floor and the column sprouts. When I asked why you did a modeling like this, he said that the architect did not change what he wanted. (then he took a printout as he had drawn from the package program) I know because we have a familiar friend, he comes with a normal floor plan and he places the columns. But there will be problems after placing it. After all, you are not designing the building as a whole. What should I do to prevent this? What do I do when the market is generally like this, so I can be closer to the right result? Good work.

 

[NYILMAZ]

I somehow contacted the engineer of .......... When I asked why did you model like this, he said that the architect did not change what he wanted. Since you are our friend, I know that the normal floor plan comes and he places the columns. But there will be problems after placing them. After all, you do not design the building as a whole. ........

In the market we call this We say "the cow sausage method". You give the cow from one side of the computer, it comes ready in front of you as a sausage from the other side. No work, no thinking, no adding information. ]The one who has no knowledge can neither claim nor object (Copyright NY) The point is clear. The engineer's job is to produce a solution, not to show the impossible. Then he must be informed in order to suggest the solution , you must be able to develop different alternatives. It is the other party's job to evaluate the alternatives. If you say "it can't be solved like that", someone will come and solve it, and you will fall into the position of an incompetent engineer. N. YILMAZ