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k.yalvaç

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Greetings to all, As a colleague who is very close to establishing a project office, it will be a guide for me if you share your ideas and opinions about what awaits me in the current market conditions. My own research is generally negative. I'm having trouble getting a job. Let's say I am competent in engineering, I will have a hard time using it in current conditions (in market conditions where engineering is going around) because previous wrong productions will always be shown as a precedent. I won't be able to get paid for some of the work I've done, or I'll get it later I'll have to bid very cheaply to get the job. tax, rent bonded, etc... These are the things that are generally told... It's actually very demoralizing to hear the sentence "If I can find a paid job, I'll close the shop" from a few project developers I met. So there are no pros to this job? It is true if I say that I prepared myself for the worst. Otherwise, it would be a serious happiness for me... Another thing that bothers me is that my colleagues think that the market will shrink while they share their opinions, and they think that the current situation will worsen. I guess it was a bit of a paranoid thought :)) My expectation from experienced friends with market experience; sharing your own experiences. You have passed this way too. You can share whatever comes to your mind, positive and negative. We worked hard for this job for years. When we say high school-university-work experiences, we are pretty worn out. we can't open a grocery store after this time... maazallah, don't try to be optimistic because the child may give up or something, because it will happen one way or the other... thanks in advance... best regards.
 
Hello, let me give you my own views on this subject. *To open a project office, you will enter the first 5 months with a 0 income economy. You may find work within this month depending on your environment. However, my opinion is 5 months for the person who strives. *Adequate engineering is an important issue. But engineering here is not our profession, good follow-up of legislation, study and service, these are important issues that will carry you forward. Because when a customer comes, he can bring 5 more customers. He bears it by explaining his positive aspects. *Projectors always have trouble, this is true. Because project work is not the same as before, this is true. But in my opinion, it is not an area to be underestimated to create capital. * My advice will come, don't be afraid, but you should know how to handle various people. Best regards
 
The biggest problem is project prices. It comes one way or another. But how does it come? We cannot draw static projects on a square meter basis, for example, in the city we live in. Some engineers go to what the contractors say. The project is drawn on a flat basis. The project is being drawn for 150 TL for the flat. The money you will receive for the place with 10 flats and 1 shop is 1500 TL. If you can get it on time. Shop giveaways by the way. You have to issue an invoice at the minimum tariff, if we talk about this project, it is about 15000 TL. With 1500 TL, will you pay VAT, will you pay corporate tax, etc.? etc. Or you invoice for the money you receive, or less, it's your business. You may experience difficulties in a financial audit in the future. The biggest problem in the industry is again our colleagues. They are the ones who signed the project drawn by someone else. They are those who work in building inspection and work as freelance engineers and those who get jobs. They are those who make their work worthless and draw a project for 150 TL. If you ask me, it is best to work for a salary in a corporate company. I say this because I do this myself. The business is up. Best regards... Let me remind you that I am still standing, trying to stand out from the others. I'm always waiting for that day to come... I hope I don't always wait...
 
I have always dreamed of opening a project office throughout my working life. My only concern in the beginning; It was whether I had the engineering experience that could make tens, maybe hundreds of people live in the buildings I designed. I was constantly looking for an answer to the question of how good I am for this job. I was always angry with myself when I felt inadequate. I studied, I always worked. However, I know that I still have a lot of shortcomings. As Project engineers who care about their job, our learning process will never end. Maybe it will slow down over time, but it will never end... Unfortunately, there is no authority that questions our competence in terms of engineering. there is no exam or internship obligation... The existence of municipality and chamber employees who can control the projects is already unknown. Even so, I do not think that serious controls are made due to the workload. So we are completely alone with our conscience. As a result of my market snacks, I realized that when I questioned my professional competence so much, I was actually doing myself a great injustice. My beautiful colleagues have never asked themselves such questions. They didn't judge themselves that much. I was unfair to myself... The real issue was just getting a job. Projects that are done somehow. In the last 1 month, I have read the topics posted on the İdecad forum since 2012. A few friends on the forum answered all questions patiently, without getting tired or offended. They did not choose a question. I personally thank them. However, there are also those who do not ask, those who do without asking. It's like they're heartbroken :)) I came across them in the market and my inquiries changed direction thanks to them. I've been questioning my courage and faith... So I can't understand, I've left the conscience aside, aren't we the ones who are legally responsible? So, God forbid, if something goes wrong in our buildings in the earthquake, won't we be held accountable in the judicial authority?? Am I wrong? Anyway, friends, these are depressing things, I won't go too far However, let's not forget this fact; All of us, our families and loved ones live in buildings designed by colleagues whose names we do not even know. One day we may have to feel the earthquake bigger than everyone else. Apart from our own weight (ZATİ), with the weight on our shoulders of what we have made (LIVE) and what we have not survived (DEAD) on our shoulders.... I would like to thank the İdecad family for sharing this... with my best regards...
 
Dear k.yalvaç, I liked your article very much. These last lines are quite beautiful... I wish everyone would read it and as you said, everyone would question themselves a little bit. I started my career as a designer. Didn't I experience unemployment, yes I did. But I never lost my enthusiasm and ideal. I have lived in detail from the periods of hand drawing to the periods of computer design. But I always enjoyed my work, I was honored. I own the buildings whose title deed belongs to someone else. I said that building is mine. However, I just did the project. It is difficult for a statistician to own a structure. Beyond the owner of the building, you have an architectural profession before you. People always look at the visible face of the building. That's why you can never fully own it. Why am I telling you: It is difficult to sustain life in the project market. But it gives so much pleasure. I have never regretted. I still love my job, I'm still excited about every project. How much difference can you make with three kinds of materials (concrete, steel, let's go mold) and three kinds of elements (column, beam, slab)? I think about how I can make a difference. I'm making a book of calculations to see how I can raise expectations one notch. Even the project you draw does not have an aesthetic (according to others). You can not put a tree, a flower, an insect. I do not know who will see it other than the master; but I still try to make the stay plan aesthetically pleasing. On August 17, at midnight (although there was only a tremor and no damage at our location), I left the children and ran to a building that I had designed for the first time. In those days I had the feeling that I had done all the destroyed buildings myself. I couldn't get over the shock of this for days, I was crushed under the weight of what my profession reminded me. If your concern only is to make money, don't be a project designer. Because from time to time you will struggle with yourself. What I mean by this sentence is not "you can't make money from project design". Everyone wins, everyone gets fed somehow. I was the dealer of IdeYAPI for a while. I had to take a break due to other duties. I tried to tell my friends what I knew at that time. I never forget, they told me; "Why do you pass on what you know, you make money from it. As they learn, you lose business." I think everyone's earnings are segregated in some way. The more I shared the knowledge, the more I had to learn. Because everyone thought I would know. This kept my engineering alive. I couldn't turn the corner, but my work didn't decrease because of that. But I still have complexes about my lack of knowledge as you said. I never lost my bet. When I was a young engineer, I "stand against tradition in construction". I have argued that truth is above tradition. Thus "I believe I have changed some traditional mistakes". Now these make me happy. Our profession has a saying, you may have heard it; "cow sausage method"... If you are aiming to make money by using this method in your profession, please do another job. (like groceries) This job really takes responsibility. You will both earn money and take on a heavier burden every day. If you are going to do this knowingly, feelingly and willingly, welcome. As far as I can see from what you wrote, you are a brother who can do these things. I hope that the developing process does not erode these feelings and thoughts. There is no turning point in project management, don't forget that. There is no need to inflate anyone's head with empty and gilded words. Good luck then. Good luck, I say welcome. With love....
 
Brother Nedim, you are a person to be taken as an example. Engineering is never a profession to be taken lightly. I really liked the sentence you said. After the earthquake, I left the children and ran to the building where I drew the project. This sensitivity really adds a lot to people. I will continue to research, learn and share what I do not know to tell everyone. Best regards
 
Mr. Nedim, it is really comforting to know that there are sensitive engineers like you. Also, thank you for your nice sharing. While I was working in Istanbul, I had the honor of working with Mr. İsmail Hakkı Besler at the idecad Istanbul R&D office for a while. You know, when I talked about questioning my engineering, that was the period when my questioning peaked. I learned a lot from them. All idecad employees are very humble people besides their vast engineering knowledge and experience. It was an experience I will never forget in my working life. From here, I send my love and respect to all idecad employees, especially Mr. İsmail Hakkı Besler... I plan to realize my plan in a few months. In this process, I aim to progress in sharing with my colleagues. I am never worried about making mistakes and getting noticed. I would rather you realize my mistakes and intervene beforehand, rather than the earthquake realizing it. I wish to share nice and useful posts, Greetings to everyone again... INS. ENG. KEMAL YALVAC
 
Dear Ömer, Dear Kemal, First of all, thank you. A story: A man was praying. After the prayer was over, someone came to him. "You," he said, "you were thinking about something in prayer, what were you thinking?" Man; He said, "I was wondering if there was still a dervish or a saint in this era." Then the other man replied: "There were two in your line." Now I see that there are two young saplings here. One is k.yalvaç who is questioning himself, and the other is an Ömer who is still obsessed with the emerald apartment. These are happy for us. B(It was a bit like "the blind and the deaf welcome each other" :) but I wrote what was on my mind)
 
Hi Nedim, you have motivated the young people well, thank you. These two friends are doing exactly what the ENGINEER word requires, I think questioning and calculation are good things.
 
First of all, I would like to thank you for the compliments directed at me. You are very valuable people. Let me say a word in response to Nedim brother's words. The most generous person is the one who shares what he has when he is most in need. (Hz. OMER) Right now, we are trying to do our job, not to make money from project design. (With his right) and at this stage, we are trying to convey what we know and prevent mistakes from being made, as Nedim brother said, this can make us lose our money, but this is the right thing. The general word of the contractors is that the engineer is 9m wide, how can you not pass? Best regards
 
Hello my dear great colleagues and brothers; First of all, on behalf of all my colleagues, I would like to thank you, my elders, for sharing what they know to be a solution to the troubles of everyone who is in trouble. I follow you with interest and concern, I wish I had the opportunity to get to know you live, not just in form. Thanks to your help and warnings, I have no doubt that I will progress in the project market. I would like to thank you all again and give my best regards...
 
Hello, if it is necessary to write the estimated monthly expenses in order to give an idea for our colleagues who have been over the subject but have the same opinion; Monthly average of the annual fee paid to imo: 100 TL (aidat+sim/24+itb/12) SSI monthly: 410 TL accounting monthly: 230 TL (monthly accounting fee: 150 + notebook tax/12) even if you do not do any business, the total tax payable annually monthly average: 100 TL (monthly stamp + withholding / 12) Note: your withholding may increase or decrease according to your rent. rent:? electricity, water, internet etc: 100 TL ha, depending on the municipality you live in, signage tax and environmental cleaning tax, average monthly: 50 TL, these are what come to my mind as a young colleague, if our experienced colleagues add and correct them, a clear figure will emerge. Best regards
 
Let's say the rent expense is 400, blueprint expenses etc... According to these calculations, in order to meet these expenses and survive in the current market conditions, it is necessary to do at least 3-4 small-scale projects per month.
 
In fact, one of the biggest problems is informal workers. For example, in the city I live in, there are 10 project offices whose names are known, whose location is certain. There are engineers who produce projects in the market, maybe 10 times more than this. This situation works for the employer, projects are made for 3-5 cents, and someone else has them sign for 3-5 cents. This makes it much cheaper. So what's going on? Unclaimed projects sprang up. Nobody owns the project, nobody follows it. Orphaned and orphaned projects. Even if the person who made the project is extremely conscientious, he cares to some extent about the work he does. Projects that are free from feelings of anxiety and fear, without taking responsibility, are born with a kind of disability. As a result of this, engineering is getting weaker and weaker. Under current conditions, it is difficult for engineers to resist the situation. Everyone is trying to fill their stomach in some way. Something must be done. However, contract design should not be a profession. What I saw and witnessed outside; That way, those who work for a long time are stuck in one place and cannot progress. The problem is not entirely with the engineers or the employer. The problem is general, it is obvious that we still have a long way to go as a country (in terms of the project sector). The positive efforts of the engineers and the employer can shorten these very long paths a little... Good work, KEMAL YALVAÇ
 
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