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Turkish Good work my brothers and sisters. In the attached photo (5-floor building) due to the parcel slice, which is like a pizza slice, there were bold console protrusions under the blue line on the normal floors of the building (I couldn't put a column in the middle, especially since it is the hall on the far right). On the other hand, I increased the concrete class, increased the width of the beams and 14 reinforcements. i listened. I did not avoid the curtain to strengthen the core part, I created curtains on the 3 sides of the elevator. (we also decided to throw tape beams from column to column with y. inspection) I'm curious about different opinions. Good evening.
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Hello My suggestions; --The purpose of the project should be to put a continuous frame and earthquake curtain in both directions in order to take the horizontal force in the building. --The tape beam from column to column in flooring is useless, and it is not taken into account anyway. You need to create a frame on the outer axles. (Even if your account saves) --There are only consoles coming out of the column. Unver ÖZCAN
Unver, you are right, I don't like the fact that only one console comes out of the column, but according to the architectural project, we cannot pass beams through the middle of the room or we have to do it to ensure open exit. What would you recommend, since we cannot change the architectural project instead (I wish it was possible) wouldn't it be advantageous to make the column larger than its normal size?
I say that the architectural project should change. Is there a verse about architectural projects that we cannot change? Why is it not possible to change the architectural project? Is the engineer who can't solve the project is incompetent or the architect who can't come up with a new design is skilled? I'm sorry, I'm saying my stubbornness about the need to change. If not, I CHANGE CUSTOMER. Just the other day, an "imagined" project on a ridiculous conveyor system came along and I was persistently asked to solve it, which I "politely" refused. I said that I did not want to do that project as it is, so I suggested they go to someone else. I said you might have another friend who can figure it out. It's over. Don't be afraid to lose your job, friends. One thing goes, one comes. State your reasons consistently, then say "not that you can't, but that you won't" . Don't let them change you, send them. Even if you think you lose in the short run, you win in the long run. Even if you are sad in the short term, you will feel happy and peaceful in the long term. Best regards... N. YILMAZ
NYILMAZ, you are right, you are right. We don't do things that will never happen, but if we apply what you say on controversial issues, it will be reflected in the market as saying that he could not solve it, rather than the loss of that project. Unfortunately, the contractor level of our country is certain. But you're right, we have to leave the rope completely in their hands, then where is our engineering and the right of our education to work?
Don't do it if you love your God. No matter what others say, you know yourself. Let it go. It doesn't matter, whoever does it. The example I gave above is just ball 3 It was a one-storey project. I sent it back, I directed it to someone else. So they don't know if I can solve an ordinary 3-storey housing project? There is no contractor in the market. As you said, we indulge them. All of them turned out to be static. I repeat the sentence I said above: Those who cannot solve the project Is the engineer incompetent but the architect who can't come up with a new design talented? We know that some parcels and some projects are difficult due to their special circumstances, but the important thing is not to let this happen. Look, at least experience the happiness of not doing that project yourself. Do projects that you will look at with pride, not with lamentation. Don't live in fear of "If an earthquake happens, it won't hit my building""azoo":26g6egat" said:
. (you will say it's easy to say, but I said) N. YILMAZmuhammetboztoprak
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Nedim Bey is neither an incompetent architect nor an incompetent engineer, but city planners. If the precedent is 2 where the tax is 0.4, can the architect make a closed exit? Or if there were boxes of land, would there not be symmetrical buildings? Who gives permission for 8 floors where the ground tension is 0.8? In short, there is a lot to talk about until it comes to earthquake resistant design...
ozdemirhasan35
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What city is this building in?
ozdemirhasan35
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I asked because I was curious about the earthquake zone of the province. If it were me, I would try to persuade him to lay the hollow block. If it couldn't be done, I would try to connect the columns together. Yes, it will spoil the architectural aesthetics, but you have to explain and convince the owner of this. As far as I can see from your plan, a proper frame system has not been formed. When I saw your plan, what came to my mind was the building in the image."azoo":2a9berys" said:
OsmanVatansever
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Greetings, First of all, the behavior of the building is what our valuable teachers such as Uğur Ersoy, Tuğrul Tankut, Zekai Celep emphasized emphatically! In other words, modeling something in a computer program and getting green results does not mean that the structure will be of sufficient quality. While deducing the formulas we use, we should not forget the assumptions we made. Our results will give realistic results in approximation of these assumptions. We create the formulas we use for both soil and strength based on many assumptions. For this reason, it would be a great mistake to derive some results from the formulas we have drawn by making dozens of assumptions and to present or think these results as if they were the truth. Projects should be overhauled by a competent engineer. In the light of these thoughts, my thoughts on the project you added will not be much different from the valuable comments written above.
I agree with what the brain said. It is essential to create smooth frames from columns and beams in the project. In the X and Y direction, "as much as possible" in the direction of the building. Forming smooth frames is very important for the behavior of reinforced concrete. I did not see such smooth frames in your project. As you know, when lateral loads act on the structure, it is essential to transfer them from beams to columns and from there to the foundation. Therefore, it is essential that the beams connecting the columns to each other are of sufficient rigidity. Rectangular beam stiffness( We calculate the inertia from bh^3/12. So you connect the columns together Let's calculate the stiffness of the moment elements, let's see? Connecting the beams with columns is essential in establishing a smooth load-bearing system. Also, I couldn't see much difference between the project that Özdemir added and your project. In short, I think the architectural project should change. The regulation sets minimum limits. Just like making bread. I have flour, I have water, I have fire, we can say that I make bread. The regulation says so. However, it should not be forgotten that yeast is necessary for quality bread! That yeast also happens over time and with experience. Have a nice day.."unver":3ca5tec1" said:
I don't want to burden the friend too much, but this time I will take a shortcut. This project is not a static project, this service received by the owner of the building or the residents of the building is not an engineering service. It's just putting columns in the corners of the rooms, running beams over the walls. But this is not what I said to my colleague. What is the right thing to do in our country? What training do we give to our young people? Finally, I would not want to spend even a minute as an engineer in a building with such a design.
The worst part is that even though we don't do this and similar projects ourselves, they are done by someone else. Plaster or a coating material is applied on it. We and our loved ones enter these buildings unknowingly and even live there. What can be done to prevent this effectively?