Where is the total weight of the building shown?

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osmanbayrak

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Hello, How can I find the total weight of the building with Idecad? Does the structure in the report part represent the total weight W=G+0.3Q? If we analyze a 140x25 column
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The total weight of the structure is 1.4 tons.
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But if we calculate the weight
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[/url] We find the Structure Weight as 2.8 tons. Likewise, when viewed from the Column Summary Report section, it is seen that the column carries 2.8 tons. This will not be a practical solution if there are many columns.
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Floor Parameters section of the Analysis section was suggested as seen in the picture below. What does this part mean?
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My word is that; Am I not able to directly take the total weight coming from a structure, at the same time, although there is no live load in the system, does the program also take the live load in the total weight part of the structure, and the program does not give me 2.8 tons? What is the total weight of the building, 1.4 tons? Thank you in advance for your interest.
 
Hello,
"osmanbayrak":314vozpc" said:
It was suggested that the Floor Parameters section in the analysis section is empty as seen in the picture below. What does this section mean?
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Building floor weights are displayed in the Floor parameters dialog. Floor ) is missing. We find the Structure Weight as 2.8 tons. Likewise, when viewed from the Column Summary Report section, it is seen that the column carries 2.8 tons. This will not be a practical solution if there are many columns. [/quote] If the building is the mass of the building printed in the summary section, If the building is a single storey, half of the column weights are taken into account. (free mass based on dynamic calculation) Good work
 
Dear Şahin, I was following your answers and articles. If the bidet gives a dead load when there is no floor, does it only give the dead load of the floor? If it only gives the dead load of the slab, how does it calculate its quantity? Where can I find the weight of the structure I want to find? Thank you for your interest.
 
"osmanbayrak":l1fc3nb1" said:
Mr. Şahin, why does it take half the weight of the building if it is one-story, does it take all of the weight of the structure if it is two-storey.
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Half of the weight of the structure is not taken in a one-story building. It is even included in its weight. That value is (Weight of the Whole Building - Half the Weight of the 1st Floor Columns). In a 1-column and single-storey structure, it naturally becomes half the weight of the building.
"osmanbayrak":l1fc3nb1" said:
If the bidet gives a dead load when there is no floor, does it only give the dead load of the floor? . If it only gives the dead load of the slab, how does it calculate the quantity.
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I couldn't understand your question. Could you ask your question with a sample picture or a project?
"osmanbayrak":l1fc3nb1" said:
Where can I find the weight of the structure I want to find.
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In structures with rigid diaphragms, you can see the weight of the structure from the floor parameters or from the dynamic analysis report. In structures without rigid diaphragms, you can reach the weight of the structure only by summing the column normal forces . Good work
 
In summary, it is as follows: Floor weight (G) = Floor beams + wall weights pressing floor beams and floors + Floor slabs + Half weight of columns above floor + Half weight of columns below floor + User defined fixed loads, if any Floor weight (Q) = Live load of floors + Moving load of beams + User-defined live loads, if any. Weight here is the free mass used in the dynamic analysis.
 
If all of the 1st floor is curtain, will not half of it be included in the analysis? I compare it with Sap2000 and there is always an inconsistency between them. Is the structure as in the picture below
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Half the weight of the curtains and columns on the 1st floor? being taken. How can I calculate the weight of this whole structure? By adding half of the weights of the lowest columns and curtains to the weight of the structure from the report section? Is the weight in the Floor Parameters the same as the total weight of the building in the report section? What is the formulation of the two parameters?
 
Automatically import this ideCAD project from ideCAD to sap2000 and you will see the results are the same. Even if all of the curtains are on the ground floor, if you model them with shell elements, their masses naturally add to the weight of the floor. Since half of the masses of the columns (bars) whose only one end is on the foundation are not free in the foundation, they are not included in the floor mass calculation. If you manually calculate the weight of this structure, ideCAD calculates it in the same way. Or add this ide file here.
 
"osmanbayrak":99fafun8" said:
Is there to export idecad file to Sap2000?
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Yes, you can export ideCAD projects to sap2000. This option is available as of version 8.61. Your project is saved in 8.504. Download and install 8.61. You can export the project and compare it directly with sap2000
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Structure weights are consistent, but what is the formulation of the Structure total weight in the report section. He didn't throw the teeth I created in İdecad to sap2000, he assigned them as a distributed load on the beams, can't I just assign the teeth directly
 
For a solution with rib teeth, select the semi-rigid option in the upper left of the picture below and then solve it. When you make a solution in this way and compare it with sap2000, as seen in the attached picture, both the results, the floor weights and the mass participation rates are exactly the same and consistent with the sap2000.
 
You can reach the Structure total (GlobalFZ) G and Q values of the Vertical load cases you have shown as Sap2000 Output by summing the floor G and Q values in the floor parameters dialog in the attached picture.
 
When I create a rigid diaphragm, while the teeth do not come out, why does the semi-rigid diaphragm throw the teeth into Sap2000? Thank you for your interest.
 
Thank you for your interest. This is how the system is calculated by transferring it to Sap2000.When semi-rigid is dissolved, the ribs, the floor pieces (shell elements) and the main beams between the ribs, as well as the entire vertical carrier system are calculated as a whole and transferred to sap2000 in this way.
 
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