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Turkish The government stated that they would take a bold step after the Van earthquake and stated that they would destroy the rotten buildings and even their own government if necessary. Those who say that the building inspection system, which has been working on paper for more than 10 years, has not fulfilled its duty, do not they themselves work on paper? Why hasn't this research been done for 10 years?
What precautions should be taken in the construction sector after the earthquake
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Re: WHAT MEASURES TO BE TAKEN IN THE CONSTRUCTION SECTOR AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE It would be better if the 3D project was a must for the buildings together with the project in the new construction. at least who knows better what to do and the unemployed architect-engineer-technical staff will at least get a job. This is practiced by many municipalities. However, there must be a general structure. Dear ministers are limiting the powers of the technicians, as if we had too much authority, as if we were making the buildings rotten. However, most of the newly graduated architects-engineers know neither the program nor the project nor the construction site. Let's start with the education system first. They give authority to these newly graduated technical staff even though they have no experience and they have to do the work on paper. They can't say that they don't have enough experience, wait, you will do it like this, not like this. It is as if so many architects-engineers cannot find jobs in private offices and building inspections, the authority to act as site supervisor was only given to them. citizen electrical or mechanical engineer. he is given the authority to go and be the site manager in the construction, but of course he does it on paper. The technical person who does the project does not have time to be the site supervisor. If the citizen can be the site supervisor when he does not even know the location of the construction site, why should the contractor do a full job? The contractor puts it in his head, 30-32 kg of iron goes to m2, 30-32 tons of iron goes to 1000 m2 of construction, and if 35 tons of iron comes out, the contractor will not let the project author say that he did not know this job. A so-and-so engineer says he took out 30 tons of iron for such a project. It knows neither seismic load nor column size nor beam size. He interprets that this building carries the following dimensions. It really carries the building, not wrong, but incomplete. because it only bears the inevitable end in a possible disaster. However, I have done countless projects as a technician and even worked as a site supervisor in the 4B group construction. But he is an engineer who doesn't even know where the construction site is. The site chief, civil engineer, who signed the license at a construction site, worked in Libya until the construction site was completed. When Libya got mixed in, he came back 
I was the construction site manager. The man learns how many patterns are the diameter of this iron, how it will be connected to the internet and how it will be measured, and only then can he reply if he can give an answer. Of course, again, I have respect for the architects-engineers who really do their job. I touched on a different subject, maybe it wasn't relevant, but at least, after 10 years of not responding to the e-mails I wrote, they get up and say that 90% of the building inspections are done on paper, as long as we have a mindset that says this is the job, no matter how many super projects we do, it's empty. Authorities should be ashamed. Here again, I am saying that the building inspections should not be private, but official. There should be a fully authorized authority like a notary public. The zoning authority should be obtained from the municipalities, the building inspections should be followed up by the Ministry of Environment. It should come out of the business premises. think about calling people you can be famous. Building inspections should be a private official institution that works with official authority within the public works and is authorized within the boundaries of the province or population and work distribution, if necessary, within the boundaries of the pool system, or receives money as much as the work it inspects. Look, the contractor, I will not give you a job again, I will not give you a job. He should not have the courage to say "I'm going to make a 1 meter big bulge in place". In the project, how can a 60 m2 2+1 flat be built on a 90 m2 site, esteemed ministers will be happy if they can solve this. we are making 60 m2 and they are making 90 m2 for the contractors. Of course, a second application project is being prepared for most of them. However, while enacting the law, they make concessions from the beginning. do they not know where and how concessions are made? They know, but if there is a complaint, the building closes the inspection. they delegate the same job to the backup structure control, the problem is solved. but the contractor achieves his goal, they get the job resolved in exchange for a small fine. The citizen who is building on the other side is thinking about how this man made it so big, the same land as my land, the same construction. because his architect and building superintendent really does his job but earns little. the other wins twice as much. So the logic is the same as 30 years ago. The more you work, the less you earn. The more you lie down, the more you earn. See, hear, don't know. shake your head take your salary this is what your system is all about. If we know the people who make commercial sense, who make illegal building inspections from outside by appointing managers on paper within the framework of Turkish laws, you also know, Mr. officials. Retired architect-engineers were given the opportunity to work in building inspections. However, the citizen lives in another city and conducts inspections in another city. He oversees projects and construction while on vacation. Others can sign instead. However, the project approval signature must be signed in the municipality or in front of the commission in the new structuring. In fact, by keeping up with the development of the age, the TR identity number should replace the registration number and the identification of the signatory should be facilitated. The problem of the project author, the architect-engineer, is that if the separate invoice price is 10 thousand TL, how much is the invoice for this work, 4 thousand TL, he says, I will do this job for 4500 TL, and he takes the job and gives it to a technician with an ordinary cheap way or even a similar project, if there is one. In the effort of what can I deduct from tax, the citizen starts to think about how I can earn three cents without having the opportunity to think about the soundness of the work and architectural aesthetics. He sees where I can earn, yav contractor brother, I will sign for 500 TL as the site supervisor. Unless, of course, the building inspection site chief said, "I'll get you to sign for free." In addition, a second application project is included in the price for the contractors who will make the on-site construction large. 
Hey bro, it's an earthquake or something. The real earthquake is done by the people inside. An earthquake hurrah enacts new laws what can we do to rob contractors. Calculates and books attract customers, whose loss is doubled, and contractors who have difficulty in selling for 1-2 years. A toki mentality emerged, turned the construction industry upside down and now he is the environment minister. Bayraktar. There is no limit to the frauds committed by the companies that Toki employs. The man gets paid and disappears. It happens to my worker citizen who works with sweat on the forehead of the sun until evening, and to the shopkeepers (who are obliged) to give goods to that contractor on credit. Either he can't get his money or he can get the insured wage part of the minimum wage after 6 months, maybe 1 year by making 10-15 petitions. He does not say stop to the firm that bids almost half of the approximate price of Toki, my brother, you can't get out of this business, he gives the job. The man is looking at the red progress piece that will not be able to get out of the job, and most of the addresses given by the companies are fake. The state hospital work, the last example of which will be built in Alanya, has been terminated. As a reason, the contractor thought about who he could get the damage from. He searched for the sub-company, luckily he couldn't find it and left the job. Last year, I worked for 4 months in the hospital construction in Ünye district of Ordu province. Güneş group ltd., a subcontractor company. sti. What. A friend of mine was instrumental and of course it was a 2 year job and I had to move my house because my wife was pregnant. After 4 months, the subcontractor said he could not get my money, he said he will pay all of you when he got it, and some of the workers were paid from the progress payment. The contract was terminated and the contractor said that he would go to Ankara and make the payments after the calculation was made. We talked to the top companies, apply with a petition, and we will pay the insured part by deducting the progress payment. that is, they stated that they would not interfere with other payments in the contract with the contractor and we submitted the petition. 3 months later, the main company paid the insured part. Thank God I had the accountant pay my insurance over my salary. It's my fault here, but since the contractor is in Ankara, I made some expenses on the contractor's request, with the thought that the worker who does not have a cigarette does not go to work because you are at the construction site and if the work stops, it will hurt all of us. it's my fault. However, even though the contractor had an internal progress payment and guarantee receivable from the top company, only insurance was paid to me. This is a good practice, but does anyone follow it because they are obliged to do so (the article in the toki contract that the workers working in the main contractor company and below will not have any receivables). because someone working in the company signs that the workers get their wages and draws the progress payment. I have filed an enforcement lawsuit for the contractor who has not paid until now, but the address given by the man is the story, such a company has never been there 
My lawyer is trying to get the address information now. An enforcement lawsuit of approximately 11 thousand TL has been filed, but neither the company nor its owners. Of course, there are many people like me who can't get paid, subcontractors, workers etc. Contractors who can't buy anything even though they have a check in their hands and who don't have any assets when they search, take the responsibility over a little bit with the term nylon or front company, become a corner within 2 years. Those who tire our minds over small details hit big volleys and have a good day. The men set up a front company under the vigilant firm and cut the checks in his name. How can my worker brother know who works for whom? If they really say that I am doing this job for my state, for my nation, they should shoot the big fish first. There is no need to even think about why technicians, architects and engineers, who are trying to make a living by working at the construction site with a salary of 1000-1500 TL per month, but by working at the construction site, are acting so irresponsibly. It is no one's right to expect efficiency from a technical person who has to do additional work because he cannot make a living and only sells his own signature. No one has the right to hold him accountable. If you are looking for someone to hold accountable, ask those who made the law with concessions to account. It happens to the citizens who make every law. Stand behind the law you have enacted, inspect it, and impose sanctions. Show your actions, these things can't be done with words. Sir, we will demolish rotten buildings. First, wash away the dry thoughts in your head. If everyone does his/her job with love and taking his/her right, every job will go well. The citizen who will build the building, building inspection-project-license-site chief, etc. In order to obtain a license, he should be able to obtain a license after depositing these fees into his bank account. Then, the technical staff and the inspectors should go and get their money from the pasha bank, not as if asking the contractor for charity. The contractor should also have the site manager himself to get the job done. The construction site chief to be assigned by the ministry in that region should only check that the building was built without stealing the material and in accordance with the project. The relationship of those who produce projects in private offices with the construction site should only be limited to following the project. (Of course, he must earn the wage he deserves.) The person or company that makes the project in his private office should not be allowed to work as a contractor. either project or construction site selection should be made. Tradesmen and craftsmen should not be allowed to work as contractors. Building permits should not be granted on behalf of a person. In short, everyone should do their own thing. Also, you got the technicians' authorization, let's call it ok. However, those who have graduated and are engaged in this job should be able to register with the chamber of architects and engineers for employment purposes, or a unit should be established to provide supervisory services to every project and every construction site in order to create a job area for technicians in project supervision and, if necessary, in construction site inspections. The same standard should be sought in all projects passing through the rooms. If necessary, the projects to be approved should be published on the internet before and after the approval so that it is understood that everyone is evaluated on equal terms. Those who approve the incomplete project should be fined or suspended from duty. In other words, in this administration, projects such as drafts should not be passed through the room by saying that this president is a relative, that friend. Invoicing should not be allowed. These people should be appointed by the Ministry of Environment according to the characteristics of their duty regions. Or remove the rooms completely, let the ministry of environment organize this. Before the projects are approved, all technical people in a commission unit should be able to criticize, and if necessary, the council should be able to give a grade to the project as it is against the rules and regulations of the ministry. The author of the project who repeats the same mistake or deficiency should be sanctioned in the form of a penalty or suspension of duty. For this job, a higher authority than the chambers and building inspections should be established and one or more people from each profession should take part in the commission. In fact, the pre-approval of the license can be given here and only the contribution payment to the municipality can be made by the commission. TMMOB branches should appoint the project author in a certain order. So the contractor should not go and negotiate. If the contractor also wants a project, that is, if he does not like the author of the project, he should notify the authorities with his flaws and in this case, he should be directed to another project author. Or he gets a special work done outside and covers the cost, and the cost of working is paid to the author who made the project. Or payments are made through rooms. The project costs are calculated by the chamber and the project is approved after it is received from the contractor. In this case, the architect or engineer is prevented from receiving project and building control as a package. The powers of those who deliberately neglect their duty and are found to be doing it on paper should be removed or fined according to their faults. Subcontracting powers should be restricted and sanctions should be imposed on subcontractors who cause difficulties for the official. In fact, technical people should be authorized for subcontracting. In other words, he should not have the courage to chase the building inspector with materials such as subcontracted iron or five-on-ten. Persons who do not have the ability to read and implement projects should not be given subcontracting authority. Commissions or chambers should undertake this job by subjecting them to an examination once a year. There are thousands of technicians-architects-engineers graduated, how will you employ them? I am a construction technician for 8 years, I make a living with this job. From the draft to the point comma, I make a project, I earn three cents, the architect-engineer signs and earns 10 liras. But the architect does the job, what project did the man say, yawww. dude doesn't even know the project standards, how the project is done. But he has the authority, he has the signature, and that citizen took his money without signing the license, otherwise we are waiting for money from the contractor. Or the contractor cuts a check with the idea that six months later he will build the flats and pay for them. If he can't sell, he won't pay in money. What other country is there that works with checks for God's sake? This check is like a promissory note, either it should be informal or the bank that issued the check should pay the check. The check invites fraud. You should not enact the law, if you are honest, stand behind it and see how it is to play with our children's sustenance. Don't try to play with people's lives and then blame the responsibility on people who work hard but can't get their money's worth. In this case, you are doing your work on paper. Who will punish you? The solution is easy to close when the building controls are done on paper. Let's be serious and realistic. I wrote a few articles similar to this before to the ministry, but no one cared. Now, don't go out and try to appropriate what we've been trying to tell you for years. You have destroyed our deserved title by working hard. but the day will come when you will be held accountable for your actions, dear enemies of authority. The job does not end with authority. It has to be official. must be punished. It is necessary to be conscious. Only the person who does the job knows how it works. If you want to turn the state into the logic of toki, do the nation a favor and leave this task while the road is near and without doing irreparable things. We haven't been able to explain this for years, but if you still don't understand, remove your authority before it causes more damage to the country and let people who will be useful to the state and the nation serve. Now a civil engineer, Mr. I wonder what kind of solution Bayraktar will bring and how he will employ people with so many professions and titles. Coming from the profession, Mr. I think Bayraktar knows better about the troubles we are going through. Actually, I would like to ask him how he compares a newly graduated architect-engineer with a technician with 10-15 years of experience. In the logic of continuing to work on paper, we will see together whether he gives importance to diploma or actions. I am aware of the responsibility of what I write, so I am writing my contact information. So that no one gets the thought that it is easy to comment on the net. 2003 ANKARA UNIVERSITY KASTAMONU Vocational School. CONSTRUCTION TECHNICIAN - SINAN BASAN - 0 533 489 84 19 ANTALYA-ALANYA
I was the construction site manager. The man learns how many patterns are the diameter of this iron, how it will be connected to the internet and how it will be measured, and only then can he reply if he can give an answer. Of course, again, I have respect for the architects-engineers who really do their job. I touched on a different subject, maybe it wasn't relevant, but at least, after 10 years of not responding to the e-mails I wrote, they get up and say that 90% of the building inspections are done on paper, as long as we have a mindset that says this is the job, no matter how many super projects we do, it's empty. Authorities should be ashamed. Here again, I am saying that the building inspections should not be private, but official. There should be a fully authorized authority like a notary public. The zoning authority should be obtained from the municipalities, the building inspections should be followed up by the Ministry of Environment. It should come out of the business premises. think about calling people you can be famous. Building inspections should be a private official institution that works with official authority within the public works and is authorized within the boundaries of the province or population and work distribution, if necessary, within the boundaries of the pool system, or receives money as much as the work it inspects. Look, the contractor, I will not give you a job again, I will not give you a job. He should not have the courage to say "I'm going to make a 1 meter big bulge in place". In the project, how can a 60 m2 2+1 flat be built on a 90 m2 site, esteemed ministers will be happy if they can solve this. we are making 60 m2 and they are making 90 m2 for the contractors. Of course, a second application project is being prepared for most of them. However, while enacting the law, they make concessions from the beginning. do they not know where and how concessions are made? They know, but if there is a complaint, the building closes the inspection. they delegate the same job to the backup structure control, the problem is solved. but the contractor achieves his goal, they get the job resolved in exchange for a small fine. The citizen who is building on the other side is thinking about how this man made it so big, the same land as my land, the same construction. because his architect and building superintendent really does his job but earns little. the other wins twice as much. So the logic is the same as 30 years ago. The more you work, the less you earn. The more you lie down, the more you earn. See, hear, don't know. shake your head take your salary this is what your system is all about. If we know the people who make commercial sense, who make illegal building inspections from outside by appointing managers on paper within the framework of Turkish laws, you also know, Mr. officials. Retired architect-engineers were given the opportunity to work in building inspections. However, the citizen lives in another city and conducts inspections in another city. He oversees projects and construction while on vacation. Others can sign instead. However, the project approval signature must be signed in the municipality or in front of the commission in the new structuring. In fact, by keeping up with the development of the age, the TR identity number should replace the registration number and the identification of the signatory should be facilitated. The problem of the project author, the architect-engineer, is that if the separate invoice price is 10 thousand TL, how much is the invoice for this work, 4 thousand TL, he says, I will do this job for 4500 TL, and he takes the job and gives it to a technician with an ordinary cheap way or even a similar project, if there is one. In the effort of what can I deduct from tax, the citizen starts to think about how I can earn three cents without having the opportunity to think about the soundness of the work and architectural aesthetics. He sees where I can earn, yav contractor brother, I will sign for 500 TL as the site supervisor. Unless, of course, the building inspection site chief said, "I'll get you to sign for free." In addition, a second application project is included in the price for the contractors who will make the on-site construction large. Hey bro, it's an earthquake or something. The real earthquake is done by the people inside. An earthquake hurrah enacts new laws what can we do to rob contractors. Calculates and books attract customers, whose loss is doubled, and contractors who have difficulty in selling for 1-2 years. A toki mentality emerged, turned the construction industry upside down and now he is the environment minister. Bayraktar. There is no limit to the frauds committed by the companies that Toki employs. The man gets paid and disappears. It happens to my worker citizen who works with sweat on the forehead of the sun until evening, and to the shopkeepers (who are obliged) to give goods to that contractor on credit. Either he can't get his money or he can get the insured wage part of the minimum wage after 6 months, maybe 1 year by making 10-15 petitions. He does not say stop to the firm that bids almost half of the approximate price of Toki, my brother, you can't get out of this business, he gives the job. The man is looking at the red progress piece that will not be able to get out of the job, and most of the addresses given by the companies are fake. The state hospital work, the last example of which will be built in Alanya, has been terminated. As a reason, the contractor thought about who he could get the damage from. He searched for the sub-company, luckily he couldn't find it and left the job. Last year, I worked for 4 months in the hospital construction in Ünye district of Ordu province. Güneş group ltd., a subcontractor company. sti. What. A friend of mine was instrumental and of course it was a 2 year job and I had to move my house because my wife was pregnant. After 4 months, the subcontractor said he could not get my money, he said he will pay all of you when he got it, and some of the workers were paid from the progress payment. The contract was terminated and the contractor said that he would go to Ankara and make the payments after the calculation was made. We talked to the top companies, apply with a petition, and we will pay the insured part by deducting the progress payment. that is, they stated that they would not interfere with other payments in the contract with the contractor and we submitted the petition. 3 months later, the main company paid the insured part. Thank God I had the accountant pay my insurance over my salary. It's my fault here, but since the contractor is in Ankara, I made some expenses on the contractor's request, with the thought that the worker who does not have a cigarette does not go to work because you are at the construction site and if the work stops, it will hurt all of us. it's my fault. However, even though the contractor had an internal progress payment and guarantee receivable from the top company, only insurance was paid to me. This is a good practice, but does anyone follow it because they are obliged to do so (the article in the toki contract that the workers working in the main contractor company and below will not have any receivables). because someone working in the company signs that the workers get their wages and draws the progress payment. I have filed an enforcement lawsuit for the contractor who has not paid until now, but the address given by the man is the story, such a company has never been there My lawyer is trying to get the address information now. An enforcement lawsuit of approximately 11 thousand TL has been filed, but neither the company nor its owners. Of course, there are many people like me who can't get paid, subcontractors, workers etc. Contractors who can't buy anything even though they have a check in their hands and who don't have any assets when they search, take the responsibility over a little bit with the term nylon or front company, become a corner within 2 years. Those who tire our minds over small details hit big volleys and have a good day. The men set up a front company under the vigilant firm and cut the checks in his name. How can my worker brother know who works for whom? If they really say that I am doing this job for my state, for my nation, they should shoot the big fish first. There is no need to even think about why technicians, architects and engineers, who are trying to make a living by working at the construction site with a salary of 1000-1500 TL per month, but by working at the construction site, are acting so irresponsibly. It is no one's right to expect efficiency from a technical person who has to do additional work because he cannot make a living and only sells his own signature. No one has the right to hold him accountable. If you are looking for someone to hold accountable, ask those who made the law with concessions to account. It happens to the citizens who make every law. Stand behind the law you have enacted, inspect it, and impose sanctions. Show your actions, these things can't be done with words. Sir, we will demolish rotten buildings. First, wash away the dry thoughts in your head. If everyone does his/her job with love and taking his/her right, every job will go well. The citizen who will build the building, building inspection-project-license-site chief, etc. In order to obtain a license, he should be able to obtain a license after depositing these fees into his bank account. Then, the technical staff and the inspectors should go and get their money from the pasha bank, not as if asking the contractor for charity. The contractor should also have the site manager himself to get the job done. The construction site chief to be assigned by the ministry in that region should only check that the building was built without stealing the material and in accordance with the project. The relationship of those who produce projects in private offices with the construction site should only be limited to following the project. (Of course, he must earn the wage he deserves.) The person or company that makes the project in his private office should not be allowed to work as a contractor. either project or construction site selection should be made. Tradesmen and craftsmen should not be allowed to work as contractors. Building permits should not be granted on behalf of a person. In short, everyone should do their own thing. Also, you got the technicians' authorization, let's call it ok. However, those who have graduated and are engaged in this job should be able to register with the chamber of architects and engineers for employment purposes, or a unit should be established to provide supervisory services to every project and every construction site in order to create a job area for technicians in project supervision and, if necessary, in construction site inspections. The same standard should be sought in all projects passing through the rooms. If necessary, the projects to be approved should be published on the internet before and after the approval so that it is understood that everyone is evaluated on equal terms. Those who approve the incomplete project should be fined or suspended from duty. In other words, in this administration, projects such as drafts should not be passed through the room by saying that this president is a relative, that friend. Invoicing should not be allowed. These people should be appointed by the Ministry of Environment according to the characteristics of their duty regions. Or remove the rooms completely, let the ministry of environment organize this. Before the projects are approved, all technical people in a commission unit should be able to criticize, and if necessary, the council should be able to give a grade to the project as it is against the rules and regulations of the ministry. The author of the project who repeats the same mistake or deficiency should be sanctioned in the form of a penalty or suspension of duty. For this job, a higher authority than the chambers and building inspections should be established and one or more people from each profession should take part in the commission. In fact, the pre-approval of the license can be given here and only the contribution payment to the municipality can be made by the commission. TMMOB branches should appoint the project author in a certain order. So the contractor should not go and negotiate. If the contractor also wants a project, that is, if he does not like the author of the project, he should notify the authorities with his flaws and in this case, he should be directed to another project author. Or he gets a special work done outside and covers the cost, and the cost of working is paid to the author who made the project. Or payments are made through rooms. The project costs are calculated by the chamber and the project is approved after it is received from the contractor. In this case, the architect or engineer is prevented from receiving project and building control as a package. The powers of those who deliberately neglect their duty and are found to be doing it on paper should be removed or fined according to their faults. Subcontracting powers should be restricted and sanctions should be imposed on subcontractors who cause difficulties for the official. In fact, technical people should be authorized for subcontracting. In other words, he should not have the courage to chase the building inspector with materials such as subcontracted iron or five-on-ten. Persons who do not have the ability to read and implement projects should not be given subcontracting authority. Commissions or chambers should undertake this job by subjecting them to an examination once a year. There are thousands of technicians-architects-engineers graduated, how will you employ them? I am a construction technician for 8 years, I make a living with this job. From the draft to the point comma, I make a project, I earn three cents, the architect-engineer signs and earns 10 liras. But the architect does the job, what project did the man say, yawww. dude doesn't even know the project standards, how the project is done. But he has the authority, he has the signature, and that citizen took his money without signing the license, otherwise we are waiting for money from the contractor. Or the contractor cuts a check with the idea that six months later he will build the flats and pay for them. If he can't sell, he won't pay in money. What other country is there that works with checks for God's sake? This check is like a promissory note, either it should be informal or the bank that issued the check should pay the check. The check invites fraud. You should not enact the law, if you are honest, stand behind it and see how it is to play with our children's sustenance. Don't try to play with people's lives and then blame the responsibility on people who work hard but can't get their money's worth. In this case, you are doing your work on paper. Who will punish you? The solution is easy to close when the building controls are done on paper. Let's be serious and realistic. I wrote a few articles similar to this before to the ministry, but no one cared. Now, don't go out and try to appropriate what we've been trying to tell you for years. You have destroyed our deserved title by working hard. but the day will come when you will be held accountable for your actions, dear enemies of authority. The job does not end with authority. It has to be official. must be punished. It is necessary to be conscious. Only the person who does the job knows how it works. If you want to turn the state into the logic of toki, do the nation a favor and leave this task while the road is near and without doing irreparable things. We haven't been able to explain this for years, but if you still don't understand, remove your authority before it causes more damage to the country and let people who will be useful to the state and the nation serve. Now a civil engineer, Mr. I wonder what kind of solution Bayraktar will bring and how he will employ people with so many professions and titles. Coming from the profession, Mr. I think Bayraktar knows better about the troubles we are going through. Actually, I would like to ask him how he compares a newly graduated architect-engineer with a technician with 10-15 years of experience. In the logic of continuing to work on paper, we will see together whether he gives importance to diploma or actions. I am aware of the responsibility of what I write, so I am writing my contact information. So that no one gets the thought that it is easy to comment on the net. 2003 ANKARA UNIVERSITY KASTAMONU Vocational School. CONSTRUCTION TECHNICIAN - SINAN BASAN - 0 533 489 84 19 ANTALYA-ALANYA