Wall load in hollow blocks

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Hello, How are the wall loads corresponding to the slabs effected on the structure when the analysis is made according to semi-rigid and fully rigid methods (separately) in hollow blocks. -As a linear load -by making walls where the walls pass with the wall command? -Or as a coating load to the flooring (if so, how to add it) I would be pleased if a detailed explanation is made about this subject. thanks good night

 

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* You can give the wall load linearly, it will be closer to the right. (provided to make semi-rigid solution) * It will be more accurate with the wall object. (V8) * If there are non-load-bearing walls on the floor, you will calculate in accordance with the regulation by increasing the live load by 150 kg, not the coating. * You should solve semi-rigid, not fully rigid, structures with hollow (ribbed) slabs. N. YILMAZ

 

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* You can give the wall load linearly, it will be closer to the right (provided that with a semi-rigid solution) * It will be more accurate with the wall object (V8) * If there are non-load bearing walls on the floor, it is not the coating, but the live load is 150 By increasing kg, you will make calculations in accordance with the regulation * You should solve semi-rigid rather than fully rigid structures in hollow (ribbed) tiled structures. N. YILMAZ

thank you, there are 1-2 things I do not understand: -When we create our model with hollow slab, is it advisable to analyze with a fully rigid method? -What is meant by saying non-load-bearing walls in the hollow block system? Isn't the load bearing capacity of the walls already ignored in frame systems? -The most preferred method of influencing the wall load on the structure in hollow floor systems is idecad's reliable, economical and rational method. Which method gives results? (ie, the method used by you, our experienced colleagues from idecad users?) Vap waits, I wish you a good evening

 

[NYILMAZ]

-Is it not recommended to analyze our model with a fully rigid method or is it completely inconvenient when we create our model with hollow floor?

There is no restriction on this in the current regulation. slabs are considered infinitely rigid in their planes. However, rib slabs do not perform this rigid behavior due to their structure. Their continuity and other directional behaviors are not suitable for the assumption of infinitely rigid. Isn't the bearing of the walls already ignored in frame systems? [/quote] Here, the non-load-bearing cut is not relevant for "hollow floor" floors. This term is a regulation term. The same is true for slab floors.

-Which is the most preferred method of influencing the wall load on the structure in hollow floor systems, which idecad gives reliable, economical and rational results? (ie the method used by you, our experienced colleagues, idecad users?) [/ quote] Actually, I answered this question above. But let me write a few more sentences. The regulation allows you to calculate by increasing the live load. However, with the developing programming techniques, you can make a more accurate load analysis by either giving a linear load or entering a wall. Of course, here the wall is the unit volume. It seems to be the most correct method to obtain direct loading by entering it together with its weight. The definition of linear load corresponding to the wall load is also not wrong at all. Here the factor of how you gain practicality comes into play. Of course, when you enter the wall object, the visuality comes to the fore and less There may be a margin of error.If you are going to draw a section etc., the wall object is included. As n, you can enter the spaces more clearly into the wall. It is up to you to choose them by evaluating how much they will affect the overall project. N. YILMAZ

 

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Of course, when you enter a wall object, the visuality comes to the fore and there is less margin of error. If you are going to draw a section, etc., the wall object is included. Finally, you can enter the spaces more clearly into the wall. N. YILMAZ[ /quote] Thank you very much. According to your explanations, the most logical thing is to draw with a wall object, but I don't know the logic of it because I have never drawn with a wall object before. It's like creating a curtain, but I have a couple of questions: -creating the relevant spaces on the walls reduces the load of the structure. Or is it just a feature added so that it can be seen only in the sections? -I searched on how to create spaces on the walls from the forum, but I could not find it, can you add a link if there is - Shall we cancel the wall load that we added to the beam when we create the outer walls with the wall command?

 

[NYILMAZ]

-does creating relevant gaps in the walls reduce the load of the structure or is it an added feature so that it can only be seen in sections?

Opening a gap in the wall reduces the load of the wall, and it is visible in the section view.

-I searched on the forum about how we create spaces on the walls, but I could not find it, can you add a link if there is any

After entering the wall object, you enter the door and window on the wall with the door/window command, and it ends. Or you just enter the space object inside the door and window and adjust its dimensions as you want.

-shall we cancel the wall load we added to the beam when we create the external walls with the wall command?

External wall-internal wall. No matter where. If you have defined a wall with a wall object on the beam, you can also add the beam to the beam. You don't need to enter wall load in the load loads.You need to pay attention to the unit weight of the wall you entered here.N. YILMAZ

 

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Thank you very much for your explanations and interest. Have a nice evening.