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The ground floor column reinforcement is too dense???
- Thread starter uzooo
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Hello * There are incorrect column/beam combinations in your project, the analysis cannot be performed properly. Fix bugs in geometry check. Some advice. * Provide frame continuity by connecting the columns on the A and D axis with beams from the inside. * I recommend that you make the narrow section of the columns at least 30 cm. Thus, your stirrup spacing in manufacturing increases from 8cm to 10cm and it becomes an easier application. -Anchorage lengths of beam bars in TDY 3.4.3.1 are sufficient. (You can open this control from the beam parameters.) -Beam bars easily fit into the column stirrups. * Almost all of the columns are strong in the Y direction, increase the rigidity in the X direction by turning some of the columns in the X direction. * (B) Fix the junction safety errors. * In case of weak column of some columns. Enlarge the sections. * Your statically required pursantanage is over 1% because many of your columns are forced as moments. Try not to exceed 1%. All floors have the same column reinforcement. * By entering the wall areas on the ground floor into the Analysis/Floor parameters Akx and Aky lines, check the B1 irregularity properly. You most likely have B1 irregularity and will need to lower the R coefficient. Remember that we entrust the lives of people to buildings! The program is just a calculator for the engineer. Get help from experienced colleagues. I write down these two aphorisms here again. Structural Engineering is the art of constructing real structures that can only be analyzed approximately, using materials whose properties can only be predicted, under the influence of undetermined loads. Numerical results are obtained from the analysis. Ignorant engineers forget the assumptions made and think that the numbers are real and believe that these are the solution to the problem. Good work.
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your explanations. I fixed my geometrical and combinational errors.... I handled my analysis without any problems. I cannot have the architect I work with make me do not create a frame on the AD axis (I completely agree with you), and for architectural reasons, the columns are in the y direction.?? ?Here either I will not do this project, I will be fired, or I will get the project approved and continue my work... I wish the municipality in the city where I live did not allow such closed outings, even if the projects were not approved, we could direct the architects to find other solutions.!! Thanks again for your comments....
+1"proisa":1en3fafv" said:The program is just a calculator for the engineer
erhanbaytak
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which city is that? I also work in the municipality, but I definitely do not allow this... Even if there is a beam in the room, I would gladly have that beam connected. How many angus authors were there, I even got an opinion letter from the ministry to silence them. It is an application that should definitely not be done. A, D aks You must ensure the continuity of the beam in the God forbid the day after tomorrow, when something happens to that building, you are the one who signed it and you are responsible, so don't pay attention to what the architect says.. In addition, a humble advice to you; If you do what the architect says in such situations, he will do it all the time. He always wants things that won't happen, things that can't be done... In addition, I am attaching the source published by Aydın Environment and Urbanization Provincial Directorate."uzooo":2h4hu4fk" said:First of all, thank you very much for your explanations. I fixed my geometric and combinational errors....I handled my analysis without any problems. For some reason, I can't get the architect I work for to do it.???Here I will either not do this project, I will be fired, or I will get the project approved and continue my work... I wish the municipality in the city I live in did not allow such closed outings, even though they did not approve the projects, we could direct the architects to find other solutions. .!! Thank you again for your criticisms....
Dear erhanbaytak, I read what you wrote above and the document you sent. It is impossible not to attend. Of course, when the person is on the other side of the table and it is not possible to continue the work without exceeding that table, some things can be requested and done with the power of the table. But in an environment where only "engineering science" and other working conditions are doughy, some things are not so easy. Let's not turn things into money right away and get into the abusive words like "money isn't everything". I have written many articles in this forum where concise words such as engineering ethics, quality construction etc. are said. In fact, there are many people who will say that my writings are composed of things that can be regarded as atrocities. But some sentences should not be used as easily as you have used here. Because in reality it is not that simple. Please don't reply with sentences like "human life is not simple either". I say; I am one of the first advocates and will defend these kinds of things here. When you read the document you sent, the things we all know are listed, but in the end, it always ends with wish sentences. A few examples:"erhanbaytak":3lr8c1fu" said:which city is that? I also work in the municipality, but I absolutely do not allow this... Even if there are beams in the room, I would gladly have that beam connected.. even there were a few angus authors who insisted on this issue. I even received an opinion letter from the ministry to silence it. It is an application that should definitely not be done. You must ensure the continuity of the beams on the A, D axis. God forbid, when something happens to that building, you are the one who signed the signature and you are responsible, so don't pay attention to what the architect says. a piece of advice; if you give a chance to that architect by doing what he says in such situations, he will do it all the time. He always asks for things that will not happen and things that cannot be done... In addition, I am attaching the source published by Aydın Provincial Directorate of Environment and Urbanization. ..
as seen. It is written in a language that includes determination, intention, wish, wish and suggestion. Now let me ask you, you are the mayor; How will you change the aforementioned plan of faith? Are you going to reduce the pulling distances from 5 m to 3 m? Or you will not give the console right to the place with a 5m towing distance? (my dear governor wrote that). Now, where does the governor's letter stand in the "Planned Buildings Regulation"? In addition, earthquake regulations talk about a lot of irregularities. Regarding these, some of them; it definitely will not be done (it should not be done), and some of them say that if it is done, buildings and accounts will be "punished" if it is done. (See: 2.3.2.2 2.3.2.3 2.3.2.4 in DBYYHY 2.3.2) Now you are talking to me about the opinion letter of the governorship, the ministry of environment and urban planning. Then why doesn't the esteemed ministry say "the relevant regulation has been removed or changed". Because it's not that easy as you mentioned. On the one hand, there are other scientific data and regulations. It is necessary to remember the word written by friend proisa."what your governor said"":3lr8c1fu" said:"...abandoning the habit will be a useful and appropriate step in terms of ensuring the safety of life and property of the people living in the buildings." wishes and wishes.. "...immediate removal of the applications arranged as plan notes will be an important step in ensuring a healthier structuring in our city." wishes and wishes... "...application should be placed in constructions throughout our province." determination "...it is thought to be beneficial in terms of better placement." intent
Why did I say so many words? I wanted to remind you that this process is not very easy and there is not only one leg of this job, although there are right aspects in your statement. I wanted to remind you that you should never forget that the feet of the goose are webbed. However, I am one of those ANGUS who argues that in a well-designed load-bearing system, there is no obligation to complete the frame, even partially, for SOME columns. According to you, when the frame is completed with 50/30 slanted beams, everything is complete on paper. When 7-8 floors of hollow block are made, the problem is solved. " Angus, I'm happy to have it connected." I did not find your attitude and attitude pleasant at all. If no one answers, I will write... I invite you to apologize to everyone. Let me add the link of some articles that contain my sensitivities on this subject so that there is no misunderstanding."proisa":3lr8c1fu" said:Structural Engineering is the art of making real structures under the influence of undetermined loads, using materials whose properties can only be predicted, that can only be analyzed approximately.
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Hello to everyone; The carrier system designs in the links given by Nedim Bey are like a horror movie. Especially there is a building that I want to name a stud paradise site. While we are talking about frame discontinuity, let me give an example. A civil engineer in İZMİR made both the architecture and the reinforced concrete project of the project in the picture. In the reinforced concrete project, the beams follow the outer walls in the green circles in the architectural project in the picture. In other words, 5 cm of the beam is connected to the column and 20 cm remains idle. When I told the man that these beams should be connected from column to column, and that the overhanging protrusions should be modeled and built as floor protrusions, the man's sketch made up nonsense sentences like "Oh, are you doing that?"
Another design of the man I mentioned above. The man did all the crap not to put a column in the middle of the shop on the ground floor. And this man carries out the architectural and reinforced concrete projects of all the works that come to his office. Someone please explain to me because I don't get it; How can an engineer stick 7-8 meter beams to 7-8 meter beams in the reinforced concrete project of the building whose architecture he designed himself. Also, look at the colon application plan, the man didn't even bother to turn the colon directions. And this man boasted to me that I draw a project every 2 days on average, by showing me the documents of which he is the author of 150 - 160 projects that he does on average. My stomach lifts when I remember.
Dear Godfrey, I also follow your writings with pleasure. You have your own style and method. We share them together so that other friends don't do similar things. We don't bury our heads in the sand. We think that the fault of others will not glorify us. If you pay attention, there are also very serious projects coming to this site. In this framework, we strive to direct our friends to the right and create an engineering awareness without offending any of our friends. At the same time, we learn something from another friend. We try to give all our answers within the framework of patience and courtesy. I hope that the time we spend here by devoting our strength from our work will contribute to others. With love.....