Non-floor structure analysis

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enciniir

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Hello everyone, I have a structure that I need to solve without flooring. The building will have 2 floors as ground+1. There will be a 1.5 m high pool on the first floor. There will be 230 t of water in the pool. How can a solution be made in this way? I'm going to solve a floorless building for the first time, how much should I take the beam loads? I calculated it as 1.44 t/m2 but I wasn't quite sure. I am attaching the project and waiting for your valuable opinions..
 
Hello there; The model you added does not describe what you want to do, it may be more descriptive if you add an architectural drawing. For example, if there is a pool on the top, why is the system without flooring?
 
"2m project":2iowdonz" said:
Hi; The model you added does not explain what you want to build, it might be more descriptive if you add an architectural drawing. If there is a pool at the top, why is the system without flooring...
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the pool is wanted to be seen when viewed from the bottom, and the pool is already will be made of glass
 
Hello there; First of all, you will need to define the weight of the pool and the live loads that will occur due to the water as a linear load on the beams. While doing this, you can use the wall load and live load options in the beam properties, or you can right click on the beam and choose define load. Then all you have to do is press the analysis button, the program will guide you to the solution without diaphragm, since there are no tiles in the system. Best regards...
 
"2m project":38ernwzq" said:
Hi; First of all, you will need to define the pool's own weight and the live loads that will occur due to water to the beams as linear loads. While doing this, you can use the wall load and live load options in the beam properties, or right click on the beam and select load. Afterwards, all you have to do is press the analysis button, the program will direct you to the solution without a diaphragm since there are no tiles in the system. Best regards...
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Thank you for your answer, I just have a question, what should the value you call linear load be? Normally 230/ We can think of it as 160= 1.44 t/m2, but unfortunately I couldn't find how to calculate this value since there is no flooring.
 
Hello again; As you know, since the density of water is 1t/m3, that is, your pool height is 1.5, and if the pool is thought to be full, you will have a water load of 1.5 tons per square meter, in this case you have nothing to do with the total water load. You will need to distribute the water load and the load of the pool's own carrier to the beams in a way that remains on the safe side. While doing this, you can think as if there is flooring in the parts between the beam axes and distribute the loads on it with the breaking lines. Another method is to define slabs here, but define the weight of the material of these slabs as zero (you can create a zero-weight material from the building tree for this), then enter the properties of these slabs and mark them as non-diaphragm slabs in the static tab. Now these floors will transfer the coating and water load on them to the beams instead of you. Best regards.
 
"2m project":3feuicw1" said:
Hello again; As you know, the density of water is 1t/m3, ie your pool height is 1.5, and if the pool is thought to be full, you will have a water load of 1.5 tons per square meter, in this case you have nothing to do with the total water load. You will need to distribute the water load and the load of the pool's own carrier to the beams in such a way that it remains on the safe side, while doing this, you can consider as if there is flooring in the parts between the beam axes and distribute the loads on it with the fracture lines. Another method is to define flooring here, but define the weight of the material of these floors as zero (this is You can create a zero-weight material from the building tree for the slabs) then enter the properties of these slabs and mark them as non-diaphragm-forming slabs from the static tab. Now these slabs will transfer the coating and water load on them to the beams for you. Regards.
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thank you very much. fog by making 0 I will try to solve the problem, I am aware that I am disturbing you, I'm sorry, I have my last 2 questions, I would be very happy if you could answer them. 1) The system I made with stud beams makes me think a bit, how healthy do you think it would be? 2) I need to take the raft foundation load in the same way, right? that is, the fixed load will be 1.5 t + the weight of the pool itself and the moving load will be the total weight of the people entering the pool
 
Hello there; 1. Of course, it would be better if you did not have stud beams, you can add columns if there is no architectural problem... 2. If there is no second space on the raft foundation, you do not need to give the same loads to the raft again, the program will already affect the superstructure loads on the foundation. It's easy, if you share your project again after the necessary arrangements, we can comment again.
 
"2m project":1r5q66a4" said:
Hi; 1. Of course, it would be better if you did not have stud beams, you can add columns if there is no problem in terms of architecture... 2. If there is no second pleasure on the raft foundation, you do not need to give the same loads to the raft again The program will already affect the superstructure loads on the foundation. It's easy, if you share your project again after the necessary arrangements, we can comment again.
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Thank you very much for your interest, unfortunately I can't add columns due to architecture. I have to make a solution in this way. I wonder how we define 0-weighted material from the building tree There are concrete and iron properties in the add material tab, I just couldn't see anything about weight?
 
"2m project":2iosrsjz" said:
You have to enter the unit volume weight value of 0 at the bottom of the same menu.
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ok I saw it, thanks :) So, will the equipment not be assigned to the system in this way?
 
"2m project":qmbk6e4b" said:
if you do not perform slab analysis, the reinforcement will not be assigned...
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moreover, I did not do slab analysis, I already solved it as a fully rigid diaphragm, but slab reinforcements are still found.
 
"enciniir":2pi3iroe" said:
"2m project":2pi3iroe" said:
if you do not perform a slab analysis, the reinforcement will not be assigned...
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moreover, I did not do a slab analysis anyway, I solved it as a fully rigid diaphragm, but slab reinforcements are still coming out.[ /quote] I solved it by editing the project as you mentioned, it would be great if you specify the things you see missing, thank you very much again, you have been very helpful
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Hello there; I made some changes in the slab and beam loads, and I said not to do slab analysis from the analysis menu so that reinforcement is not calculated on the slabs. You can continue with the attached model.
 
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