How to do 4/5 R Control when there is no curtain on the side

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myıldız25

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Hello, we had a discussion with a reporter in the municipality today about the 4/5 R condition. However, you still get 4/5 R and analyze the project etc. he said.. Please take this into consideration in the next update.
 
Re: 4/5 ABOUT R Hello Mdev in TBDY 4.3.2.4.a article in the curtain overturning moment control report <Mo/3 kontrolü otomatik yapılır ve bu kontrol sonucunda 4/5R opsiyonunun kullanıcı tarafından seçilmesi gerekli ise bilgi verilir.
Eğer gerekli olduğu durumda opsiyon seçilmez ise ekte gördüğünüz gibi raporlarda hata olarak açıkça belirtilir. Diğer durumda opsiyonu seçmek gereksiz bir yaptırım olur.
Bu konuda sorun yaşadığınız belediyeleri ideYAPI Teknik desteği araması konusunda yönlendirebilirsiniz.
 
Re: 4/5 ABOUT R There are various types of rapporteurs in my country. Even if ideCAD automatically calculates 4R/5 when the necessary condition is not met, or if I select the 4R/5 option with my intervention and analyze again, the report will say &quot;4R/5 has been received&quot;. How would he look here and understand whether the account was left to the initiative of the user? As a result, if the condition is not met, a warning is already written. I thought he was worried that this warning would be displayed as if the 4R/5 was received by the user even if the pdf editing is not fulfilled. There is no end to this way of thinking, because the engineer who breaks the intention can change dozens of things in the report.
 
Re: About 4/5 R I&#39;ve told all of these things. Now he definitely wants me to get 4/5 Rs, if this is automatically taken, he shows another program as an example, even when you ask for it, look, they do, but you always have a problem. It was left to the user, I don&#39;t know, etc. He starts to talk. He even claims that they came here from idecad recently, they set up a program demo and gave information, I asked them, he says, they told me that the user himself entered this 4/5 issue, etc. As you can see, as long as the program doesn&#39;t get it automatically, you will always tell me to buy R 4/5, and I&#39;ll explain it to a certain extent, then I&#39;ll have to. It&#39;s the place where we do business all the time. After all, do us a favor and get it out of user control, or we&#39;ll be infuriated. Thank you........
 
Re: 4/5 About R Hello again, we had a heated discussion with our Roportor and he said that he confirmed what he said by talking about a friend from IDECAD who explained the program and gave a 3-month lockdown. Thank you very much in advance. Now the issue is: They interpret the article about the curtains on each side axis specified in the regulation as follows. 1-There should be one curtain on each side of the building, and if it is not even on one side, the R pillar should be multiplied by 4/5. That is to say, there should be curtains on each side of the building, otherwise, whatever you do, you will multiply R by 4/5. On the other hand, if there is no group curtain such as elevator or stairs on the side axis of the building, it is not possible for the individual curtains to meet the results of M0/6.
 
Re: 4/5 About R Hello; It is stated that if one of the two conditions defined in article (a) and (b) in TBDY 2018 4.3.2.4 does not meet, (4/5)R will be considered instead of R in the direction that does not provide it. In article (a), Mdev states that the base overturning moment of a single wall in the structural system will not be more than 1/3 of the total base overturning Mo Mo for the entire building in that direction. If this condition is not met, it is stated that (4/5)R will be considered instead of R. There should be a curtain in the system. It does not make any comments about where the curtain will be in the system. It evaluates the pitch in your system. In article (b), it is stated that the base overturning moment of the wall or walls on each side axis of the building shall not be more than 1/6 of the total base overturning moment Mdev or Mdevs for the whole building in that direction under seismic loads. If this condition is not met, it is stated that (4/5)R will be considered instead of R. Again, in this article, there is no comment that there should be a curtain on the side axles in the system. It is written that if there is a curtain on the side axles, it must meet this condition. The curtain on the side axle is evaluated. Briefly, the regulation evaluates the existing shear walls in reinforced concrete shear wall buildings under the two conditions defined in (a) and (b). It does not comment that there should be a curtain on the side axle or the ratio of the curtains should be as follows. In article (a), it penalizes the curtain to undertake more than 1/3 of the sum of the overturning moments alone. In article (b), it requires that the walls on the side axle meet at least 1/6 of the sum of the overturning moments of the walls on the side axle in order to provide torsional rigidity strength, and if they do not, they penalize them.
 
Re: 4/5 About R ZEKAİ CELEP HOCA&#39;S OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT Since providing both of these items will oppose obtaining a system with improved behavior, the regulation foresees reducing the design loads (by interfering with the R coefficient). If both of these substances are not provided together, this reduction is not entitled. In order to benefit from this reduction, there must be shears on each side axes of the building and the shear moment must meet the relevant condition. Since there will be no curtains on the side axes (the ratio is zero) and one of the conditions cannot be met, there will be no reduction. In order to satisfy the second condition, there must be a curtain on &quot;each edge&quot; (all edges) and also the relevant condition must be satisfied. Happy ramadan. Greetings Zekai Celep ISMAIL HAKKI, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME HOW DO YOU COMMENT? THE RESULT YOU WILL GET FROM HERE WILL SHOW THAT WE ARE DOING WRONG OR CORRECTLY WITH THE M0/6 AND M0/3 AUGMENTATIONS, ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL CONTROL POINTS OF OUR PROGRAM, AND THE REDUCTIONS IN THE R COEFFICIENT. I DID NOT FIND IT HERE IF THE TEACHER SAYS INTERVENTION WITH R COEFFICIENT OR INTERFERENCE WITH EARTHQUAKE DESIGN LOADS. IF THE EARTHQUAKE IS INTERVENTION WITH THE DESIGN LOADS, IT MEANS OUR PROGRAM MADE THE WRONG LOGIC ABOUT THAT.
 
Re: 4/5 About R If Zekai says so, listen to him and put a curtain on each side. However, there is no curtain on the edges in example 2 in the earthquake regulation examples book.
 
Re: 4/5 About R Zekai teacher answered without reading the regulation and while he was fasting, this answer does not count :)
 
Re: 4/5 About R myıldız25, First of all, you have to be convinced. There is no obligation to put curtains on the side axle. If there is a curtain on the side axle, that condition is checked. Then tell your reporter that the software he loved and believed in solved it in this way. I hope your issue will be resolved soon.
 
Re: 4/5 About R I talked to; The Design Supervisor, the friends who made the designs in the Application Examples Handbook, and indirectly the unofficial opinion of Nuray Hodja: This material carrier system is for systems consisting only of curtains . Zekai Hodja has interpreted the regulation as if he is not in the coordination commission, but as someone who reads the regulation for the first time. As Basri Bey said, a comment made while fasting is not counted :) Berat Bey made a detailed explanation above.
There must be a curtain in the system. It does not comment on where the curtain will be in the system. Evaluating the screen in your system
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I think you should convey what Erhan Bey said to the control mechanism. A : carrier system applies the rule for systems consisting only of curtains. (It finds it more logical that it should be applied for systems that meet the 75% Mdev condition, but it does not reflect it to the program because this does not come out of the article) B : applies it in every structure it sees.. (it is not open to discussion, to questions I didn&#39;t get a response. That&#39;s how we interpret it, they say go to the people who wrote the regulation and tell them about your problem) IdeCAD : discussed the issue at length and left it to the user initiative because of the differences of opinion in this article. Happy ramadan...
 
Your comments are very nice and I totally agree with you, but if you come and talk to the authorized engineer in this municipality for 5 minutes, you will understand us only then. We have said most of what you said, but in the seminar he attended (whoever gave it now), information was conveyed in this way. how many million light-years away people take pictures of the black hole, we are still debating these.
 
I think it would be better for the ideCAD official to go to the municipality. If the man is not malicious, the problem is solved.
 
In the BA-1/15 project in the TBDY-2018 Training manual, there is only the elevator and stairwell curtain in the middle of the building. m0 is not made with 1/6 contour, it is only made with 1/3 contour. In the BA-3/15 project in the TBDY-2018 Training manual, there are curtains on both outer axles. 1/3 and 1/6 checks were made and one of them was punished with R 4/5 for not providing it. It is stated that if one of the two conditions defined in article (a) and (b) in TBDY 2018 4.3.2.4 does not meet, (4/5)R will be considered instead of R in the direction that does not provide it. The conclusion to be drawn from here is that if there are curtains on the outer axles in your building, you have to do M0 1/6 control. Best regards...
 
Mr. Mesut, where exactly is the 1/3 control done in the BA-1/15 project? What I see is TBDY 4.3.4.5 control is done, 1/3 and 1/6 control is only done in the BA-3/15 project in the training manual.
 
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