Excess reinforcement problem

serpilakbas

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I have been using idecad for 3 months. it throws too many reinforcements when compared to sta4cadle, is there a problem with the parameters? I'm having a lot of trouble with beams and continuous foundations. I will be glad if you help
 
According to what, there are too many stantrt pursantans, there are parmetes, it may be thrown out due to the carrier system or data entry difference...
 
"serpilakbas":1isruf6f" said:
I've been using idecad for 3 months. It throws a lot of reinforcements compared to sta4cadle, is there a problem with the parameters? I'm having a lot of problems with beams and continuous foundations. I'd be glad if you could help
Sta4cad reports of the project you compared with Sta4cad Can you attach the idecad project file to the message?
 
I did not analyze the same project with two programs, but it was very easy to throw 8 by 14 on a width of 40 cm. It was throwing 6 pieces of the same width. I used both programs at different times. When I compared the parameters, I could not see a noticeable difference.
 
"serpilakbas":24itpdy1" said:
I did not analyze the same project in two programs, but it was too much to throw 8 by 14 on a width of 40 cm, it was throwing 6 on the same width. I used both programs at different times. When I compared the parameters, I could not see a noticeable difference.[ /quote] Hi, The amount of reinforcement is the result, so did you encounter the moments based on the reinforced concrete calculation and/or the normal forces if the element is column? What is the structure/foundation condition? Did you solve the superstructure interactively? How did you accept the rigid diaphragm model, is it full or semi-rigid? Did you solve it? Did you calculate according to mode combining or response analysis? Did you apply the TS500 redistribution item? Are the irregularities the same? Are you sure that there is no data entry error in the program?
 
you are right, the amount of reinforcement is the result. but the process leading to the result was the same in both programs. I have been using stay for 9 months, as I said at the beginning, for 3 months. In general, ide also throws more reinforcements, this is true for every building element. (at least that's my point of view because I'm facing problems that I haven't encountered in the stadium) I would like to answer the questions you asked here one by one, but your style was interesting. I am in the learning phase. I modeled housing in both programs. I think it's normal for me to go the way of comparison. In my first question, is there a problem with the parameters? I said. The problem may be in my knowledge, but I couldn't understand why you're trying to measure what I know instead of telling me what to do. thank you
 
"serpilakbas":1b3j5p5j" said:
in general, ide also throws more equipment, this is true for every building element (at least this is my determination because I encounter problems that I do not encounter in the stadium) I would like to answer the questions you asked here one by one, but your style was interesting I'm in the learning phase. I modeled housing in both programs. I think it's normal to go for comparison. In my first question, I asked if there is a problem with the parameters. The problem may be in my knowledge, but I couldn't understand why you wanted to measure what I know instead of telling me what to do. Thank you ] Please don't take it that way. What I wrote was purely aimed at listing what could be different. Of course, you can make comparisons, it's normal to do it, but you should appreciate that you need to provide enough data for the situations you made the comparison so that we can make an accurate and accurate assessment and help you. have both data in your hands lı... At least you can add the project you made with ideCAD to the message. You need to give us enough data to find out if the result/difference is normal.
 
I would appreciate it if you could check the settings and data entry in the second project I sent. basically out of equipment shouldn't the program automatically throw it out
 
I said it wrong, actually I meant the big project. When I say the second project, I added it later msja, but it came to the first place, giving the problem of insufficient reinforcement.
 
1. There is a frost problem in the project. Basically, enter the analysis settings in the basic-ground part, click Enlarge the connection area at the bottom right, the problem will be fine.
 
In addition:
"serpilakbas":825upuc0" said:
doesn't the program need to automatically discard the insufficient reinforcement
Since only 16 diameter is selected in the reinforcement selection, the program cannot automatically increase the automatic reinforcement.
"serpilakbas":825upuc0" said:
causing insufficient reinforcement in the foundation
To overcome this situation, instead of increasing the diameter of the reinforcement, you can arrange the raft slab axles in a more economical way. The program finds the raft reinforcements according to the position of the calculation axis you defined, then looks at the difference of the additional reinforcements for other regions. The defined axis of calculation coincides with the columns. This is the location where there is more moment regionally in your project (the raft calculation is in the form, you can examine it from a 3D frame)... However, if you define the raft calculation axis by shifting it 2 meters above the D axis, the reinforcement on the axis will be calculated less. Additional reinforcement needs of other regions will be as much as the difference. 16 reinforcements are enough for all of them. Note: In the projects you add, if you specify what element is excessive in which element, as on this basis, we can also look at that subject if you specify it as the element name.
 
Also, for the Yağız Yapı 224.ide7 project; Spatial gaps cannot be opened in this way in rib or cassette floors. You need to divide the tooth system with the horizontal beams that we will define on the gap edges. You should define "typical teeth" for teeth.
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In the small project I sent, I was told that there was too much reinforcement on the foundations by another engineer. Also, the information you provided will be very useful, thank you, I'm trying to learn it myself. Of course, I have a lack of static knowledge. When I wanted to define it as a rib, I was told to turn it into a cassette tape first. I don't know how true this is. And is it better to make a superstructure interactive solution?
 
"serpilakbas":25yl2w75" said:
in the small project I sent, I was told by another engineer that there was excess reinforcement in the foundations.
In the project you sent, 11.22 cm2 reinforcement in continuous openings in the foundations came out as required (basic minimum works), and the program selected the nearest reinforcement to 12,315 cm2. Moments appear normal on supports. Reinforcements are around this area... Continuous foundation parameters: Minimum reinforcement ratio = 0.003 concrete cover = 6.5 cm foundation beam dimensions = 40 /100 minAs= (100-6.5) * 40 * 0.003 = 11.22 cm2 The reinforcement selected by the program is 5fi14 flat + 3fi14 pile, total 12.315 cm2 0.003 is entered in excess here, the program's default value is 0.001 and minAs= 0.8fctd/fyd is automatically checked, this value is 0.003' for this project.
"serpilakbas":25yl2w75" said:
When I wanted to define ribs as ribs, I was told to do it by converting it to tape first.
"serpilakbas":25yl2w75" said:
is it better to make a superstructure interactive solution
According to TDY, you have to do it on C and D floors... For other cases, it's your initiative.
 
thank you so much. I have one last question. Is there also a fictitious beam ide? When I lay slabs in closed overhanging structures, it is not desired to see the beam. In this case, I cannot connect the columns, I can rotate beams around the console, but the control engineers in the municipalities do not cause any problems, but I am disturbed.
 
Also, I personally cannot accept beams like K40 - K48 that are cantilevered from beam. I also recommend you to take a look at the K18 beam.
 
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