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Turkish Are cassette tiling the same thing as bidirectional gear laying? Are the following definitions correct? WDDD: Teeth spacing max. 70 cm. Tooth width min. 10 cm. Cassette Flooring: Instead of teeth, there is a secondary beam. Minimum secondary beam width 20 cm. Beam spacing is free. There is a system that I need to make a hollow block due to closed protrusions and wide openings. H>17.50. Which system should I choose? What are the pros and cons? In idecad, is the calculation of the secondary beam and the calculation of the teeth done in the same way?
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Cassette Flooring Design
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sahinsukru
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"ganymede":9fmbjfoh" said:Is bidirectional toothed flooring and cassette flooring the same thing? Are the following definitions correct? CDDD: Teeth spacing max. 70 cm. Tooth width min. 10 cm. Cassette Slab: Sub-beam instead of tooth There is a minimum secondary beam width of 20 cm. The beam intervals are free. There is a system that I need to make a hollow block due to the closed protrusions and wide openings. H> 17.50. Which system should I choose. What are the pros and cons? Are the secondary beams and teeth calculated in the same way in idecad? ?
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"G Köse":1nj6903b" said:In cassette flooring, there is no filling material between the teeth and the minimum distance between the ribs starts from 70 cm. When you analyze in the semi-rigid diaphragm option, the ribs act as stud beams and are taken into account in the 3d analysis.[/quote ] I wonder where do you find the cassette flooring sizing conditions? In which article of TBDY 2018, in which article of TS500? or whatever you cite, give a source, share a source so that this confusion ends. Everyone writes something, but there is no concrete source. I can't find either.
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"metsoy":33zmme3w" said:You don't read and you throw in free information. All your questions are answered in the link I sent."G Köse":33zmme3w" said:In cassette flooring, there is no filling material between the teeth and the min. distance starts from 70 cm. When you analyze in semi-rigid diaphragm option, ribs behave like stud beams and are taken into account in 3d analysis. or whatever you are citing a source, share a source so that this confusion ends. Everyone writes something, but there is no concrete source. Or is it me, I can't find it.
I don't need free information, I don't think I know any less about it than you do. I can send you dozens of articles, doctoral thesis if you need it. I just wanted to refer to the eme mayhem. This forum aims to contribute to the development of the program and to find solutions to the professional problems of our colleagues. It is not anyone's place to question the knowledge of another colleague."sahinsukru":1oqa8a6e" said:You don't read and you throw free information. The link I sent has answers to all your questions."metsoy":1oqa8a6e" said:I wonder where you find the cassette floor sizing conditions, in which article of TBDY 2018, in which article of TS500? or whatever you cite, give a source, Share a source so that this mess will end. Everyone is writing something but no one has a concrete source. Or is it me I can't find."G Köse":1oqa8a6e" said:In cassette flooring, there is no filling material between the teeth and the minimum distance between the ribs starts from 70 cm, half When you make an analysis in the rigid diaphragm option, the ribs act like stud beams and are taken into account in the 3d analysis.
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In fact, there is no such thing as cassette flooring, this definition is a definition created in the market. This phrase is not included in the regulations. The system we call cassette flooring is actually gear flooring working in two directions. 11.5 at TS500. As it is clearly stated in the article, no boundary conditions are set. You just have to comply with the general minimum beam-slab limit values... The regulation says that we have to comply with the principles of structural mechanics in the structural analysis of this type of flooring. They may make you look like the rules that apply to single-direction toothed floors are for double-direction floors, and we don't mind them.
TS500: ''11.5 - THREADED FLOORINGS WORKING IN TWO-DIRECTIONS Geared floors can also be arranged in accordance with the general principles given in Section 11.3. Structural mechanics principles in the structural analysis of this type of flooring, and Article 11.3 in the dimensioning and reinforcement regulations. The rules given in .3 must be followed. according to the article; tooth spacing max. Don't I have to do 70/70? It is said to fit 11.3.3 in sizing."yunussacikk":7aregxre" said:Actually, there is no flooring called cassette flooring. This definition is a definition created in the market. This expression is not used in the regulations. The system we call cassette flooring is actually gear flooring that works in two directions. As it is clearly stated in article 11.5 of Ts500, there is no flooring. no boundary condition has been set. You just have to comply with the general minimum beam-slab limit values... The regulation tells us that we have to follow the principles of structural mechanics in the structural analysis of such floors.They may make you look like the rules applicable to single-direction toothed floors are for double-direction floors.
"ganymede":2hbpf4k7" said:You should make it so that the tooth opening does not exceed 70*70, you can use filling material. Apart from this, you must comply with all the rules for toothed floors running in one direction in 11.3.3 as well as for toothed floors running in two directions. good work"yunussacikk":2hbpf4k7" said:Actually, there is no such thing as cassette flooring, this definition is a market definition. This phrase is not included in the regulations. The system we call cassette flooring is actually gear flooring working in two directions. 11.5 at TS500. As it is clearly stated in the article, no boundary conditions are set. You just have to comply with the general minimum beam-slab limit values... The regulation says that we have to comply with the principles of structural mechanics in the structural analysis of this type of flooring. They may make you look like the rules for single-direction toothed floors are for double-direction floors, and we don't mind them. can also be edited. The principles of building mechanics should be followed in the structural analysis of such floors, and the rules given in Article 11.3.3 should be followed in the sizing and reinforcement arrangements.'' According to this article; tooth spacing max. Don't I have to do 70/70? It is said that you will comply with 11.3.3 in sizing.
Thank you. This is how I interpret the article of the regulation, but for some reason there is no consensus on this issue. Some say the same, some say completely different."metsoy":3m71vunq" said:You should make it so that the tooth opening does not exceed 70*70, you can use filling material. Apart from this, you must comply with all the rules for toothed floors running in one direction in 11.3.3 as well as for toothed floors running in two directions. good work"ganymede":3m71vunq" said:TS500: ''11.5 - THREADED FLOORINGS IN TWO-DIRECTIONS In accordance with the general principles given in section 11.3, two-way geared floors slabs can also be arranged in. Structural analysis of such slabs, principles of building mechanics, dimensioning and reinforcement arrangements. The rules given in Article 11.3.3 must be followed.'' According to this article; tooth spacing max. Don't I have to do 70/70? It is said that you will comply with 11.3.3 in sizing."yunussacikk":3m71vunq" said:Actually, there is no such thing as cassette flooring, this definition is a market definition. The system we call cassette flooring is actually toothed flooring that works in two directions. As clearly stated in article 11.5 in Ts500, no boundary conditions are set. You just have to comply with the general minimum beam-slab limit values... They may show you the rules applicable to geared floors running in one direction as if they are for floors running in two directions, and we don't mind them.
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There is no such thing. You cannot say that the rules that apply to toothed floors running in one direction apply to toothed floors running in two directions. ts500 11.3.3 - Rules Regarding Reinforcement Bending and shear reinforcement in teeth is calculated as in beams. However, in cases where the calculation shear force is less than the shear crack strength, the minimum stirrup condition may not be complied with and open stirrups may be used. In this case, the stirrup spacing cannot exceed 250 mm. The plate above the teeth should have dispersion reinforcement in both directions, Figure 11.1. This reinforcement should not be less than 0.0015 of the entire cross-sectional area of the plate in each direction, and the reinforcement spacing should not be more than 250 mm. Here tooth spacing etc. There is no expression for."metsoy":11v332h6" said:You should make it so that the tooth opening does not exceed 70*70, you can use filling material. Apart from this, you must comply with all the rules for toothed floors running in one direction in 11.3.3 as well as for toothed floors running in two directions. good work"ganymede":11v332h6" said:TS500: ''11.5 - THREADED FLOORINGS IN TWO-DIRECTIONS In accordance with the general principles given in section 11.3, two-way geared floors slabs can also be arranged in. Structural analysis of such slabs, principles of building mechanics, dimensioning and reinforcement arrangements. The rules given in Article 11.3.3 must be followed.'' According to this article; tooth spacing max. Don't I have to do 70/70? It is said that you will comply with 11.3.3 in sizing."yunussacikk":11v332h6" said:Actually, there is no flooring called cassette flooring. The system we call cassette flooring is actually toothed flooring that works in two directions. As clearly stated in article 11.5 in Ts500, no boundary conditions are set. You just have to comply with the general minimum beam-slab limit values... They may show you the rules applicable to geared floors running in one direction as if they are for floors running in two directions, and we don't mind them.
Sir, item 11.5 starts with "In accordance with the general principles given in Section 11.3.." and continues, "The rules given in Article 11.3.3 should be followed in sizing and reinforcement arrangements." You just write 11.3.3. 11.3 - THREADED FLOORINGS WORKING IN ONE DIRECTION 11.3.1 - General Principles Floors consisting of beams and a thin slab whose free spacing does not exceed 700 mm are defined as toothed flooring. In this type of flooring, the gap between the teeth can be left or filled with non-bearing filling material. As a filling material, hollow concrete briquettes, hollow terracotta or similar lightweight materials should be used. Figure 11.1.
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The regulation states that “Floors consisting of beams and a thin slab with a free spacing not exceeding 700 mm are defined as toothed flooring.” If our tooth spacing exceeds 70 cm, this flooring system can no longer be defined as toothed flooring. THIS floor is a joist floor divided by stud beams. This flooring system is also called "cassette" flooring in the market. There is no such definition in the regulation. Now we need to make our tooth spacing more than 70 cm in order not to be stuck with the gear laying rules. After our tooth spacing is more than 70, it will be sufficient to comply with the rules valid for beamed flooring. In TS500, mni beam width is specified as 20 cm, but there is no obligation to comply with this rule for studs and secondary beams. For example, if I make a system with 60/30 main beams, 15/30 stud beams, 100 cm distance between stud beams in both directions, and 8 cm plate thickness on it, this is not a two-way working gear flooring. This is the beamed floor we know, just divided by many stud beams. That's why we don't have to follow the e/10 rule for threaded floors. (I said that cassette flooring and gear flooring in both directions are the same, I am wrong at that point)
The toothed floorings described in ts500 are the floorings defined as unidirectional ribs and double-sided cassette flooring in our program. If we are going to enter information in this way, we have to comply with the gear laying rules in TS500. Apart from this, definitions made by entering classical beams and slabs are not subject to gear slab rules regardless of slab openings. In other words, in the data entries we make using the cassette command in the idecad program, we cannot make the tooth spacing more than 70 cm. If we do, we will not take the ts500 into account. I think it is not a logical solution to open the floor spaces by entering beams one by one. Maybe they will make changes to the ts500, and they can soften this rule a little.