Beamless flooring

[ottomancagatay]

Good Friday, When I was going to make a beamless floor for the first time, I had a few questions and suggestions. --How should I surround the stair bucket? Should I surround it with a beam? Staircase makes me think a lot, what should I do to the stairwell, if there is a sample project, I would be glad if you could help.

 

[bedros]

Good Friday, When I will be laying without beams for the first time, I would have a few questions and suggestions. If there is a sample project, I would appreciate it if you could help me.

I think you should never mind the ladder... No matter what earthquake zone you are in, don't make a floor without beams.

 

[NYILMAZ]

I think you should never mind the stairs... I don't think you can do beamless flooring no matter what earthquake zone you are in..

Beamless flooring is also a method.For buildings with suitable building type, appropriate column size and placement It can be done on the condition of being sensitive to stapling. But I am against the idea of presenting this method as a solution to the deadlock.The type of building is really important.

 

[ottomancagatay]

I think you should never mind the stairs... I don't think you can do beamless flooring no matter what earthquake zone you are in..

Laying without beams is also a method. It can be done in structures with suitable building type, appropriate column size and placement, provided that they are sensitive to the subject of punching. But I am against the idea of presenting this method as a solution to the deadlock. The type of building is really important.

I respect everyone's opinion, but we can't get anywhere with discourses such as doing or not, I think we are obliged to design in the most appropriate way in line with the contractor's request, we can't achieve anything by saying don't do it, Fortunately, idecad's support Thanks to you, I completed the project. I just asked for suggestions, simple solutions like don't do it will bring us back as a country, not forward.

 

[erhanbaytak]

I respect everyone's opinion, but we can't get anywhere with statements like don't do, don't, I think we are obliged to design in the most appropriate way in line with the contractor's request, we can't achieve anything by saying don't do it, Fortunately idecad in I completed the project thanks to his support. I just asked for suggestions, simple solutions like don't do it will bring us back as a country, not forward. I couldn't understand how it will move the country forward. What I want to say is that what I understand is that the beamless flooring is a weaker carrier system compared to other systems.

 

[mhanifiata]

The beamless floor system is an engineering solution after all. making evaluations such as better/worse should be considered together with the question of what aspect... in terms of architecture, plumbing, etc. In the sense of application, it is a good solution in terms of obtaining large flat ceiling areas. an easy-to-apply system in terms of mold workmanship. The general criticism of those who stay away from this flooring type is that it does not fully reflect the frame behavior in terms of earthquakes... I have made projects that work with every system. but a few points should be well known in beamless flooring... 1-the most critical point is the punching strength control. The design should be handled in a way that provides punching strength according to the concrete strength, even if there is reinforcement effect. 2- It should be shown that seismic loads can be transferred between columns. 3- Since the moment directions will be very variable, lower and upper reinforcement should be used together. 4- It should avoid making spaces at the bottom of the columns... Flooring with a thickness of less than 5-20 cm cannot be done as per the regulations. however, choosing very large thicknesses in order to stay safe also increases the weight, which affects both the earthquake load, affects the column dimensions, affects the dimensions of the foundation, and increases the floor reinforcement... Punching control of 6-idea non-beamed slabs is carried out. However, in general, stapling control (in designs including beams) is not done automatically in the program, since there is a need to create beams on the exterior and in places such as stairs / elevators. It is necessary to control by creating a column header... also, there is basically no stapling control on/under the panel elements. It's useful to review...

 

[NYILMAZ]

I would like to add something that I think is important. In general, chimneys or vents come to the corner points, thus to the bottom of the columns. It is necessary to pay attention to this in the flooring without beams, it is necessary to remove such elements from the columns.