Beam Partition-Joining

[huseyinakkus56]

Hello. I had a few questions about the photo. 1-) While K5 is dividing the beam as K29-K30, why does the K6 beam not divide the K36 beam? How is the beam splitting done? 2-) How to join beams? (I also split the K36 beam because I faced the problem of not being able to assign slabs; it self-assembled) 3-) Although I pay attention to the node points, I cannot assign slabs. As a solution, I have to divide the beams or curtains, otherwise I cannot assign flooring. Where could the problem originate from? Thanks...

 

[Ibrahim Sirin]

Hello, if you are drawing in a version older than IdeCAD 8.5, please activate the Divide by intersections and Automatically name objects divided by columns options in the Beam helper toolbar and draw your beams.

 

[huseyinakkus56]

Hi, if you are drawing in a version older than IdeCAD 8.5, draw your beams by activating the Divide by intersections and Auto-name objects divided by columns options in the Beam helper toolbar.

Already like that. I draw the beams are divided. I do not want them to be divided. Or do I need to divide? What are the criteria in the division-joining process? I am looking for answers to the 3 questions above.

 

[HakanŞahin]

Hello,

1-) While K5 divides the beam as K29-K30, why does the K6 beam not divide the K36 beam? K5 beam and K30 beam must be split so that D348 and D353 slabs can be defined correctly. K6 beam is not divided into K36 beam because "divide by intersections" mode is not active. Splitting beam is done to create a slab corner at the inserted beam(divider) and bearing beam(dividing) point Floor edges are formed from the corners Splitting the beam does not affect the analysis, it is only a process related to data entry

2-) How to join the beam? (I also split the K36 beam because I faced the problem of not being able to assign slabs; it self-assembled).

Since the K6 beam and the K36 beam are not connected to each other, the K36 beam seems to be one piece. In order for you to correctly identify the D351 and D350 slabs, the K6 beam must divide the k30 beam. If you delete a dividing beam from a dividing beam, you cancel the joint, which will self-join as you did. You've probably done something like this.

3-) Although I pay attention to the nodes, I cannot assign tiles. As a solution, I have to divide the beams or curtains, otherwise I cannot assign tiles. Where can the problem come from? .

The answer to this is 1 and 2 The reason for your slab assignment is that the definitions of the inserted beam (divisor) and the bearing beam (divided) are incorrect. Activate the "divide by intersections" mode when defining the K6 beam. The same situation is wall-beam, beam-slab edge, curtain-continuous foundation, It is also valid for continuous foundation-floor edge, slab edge-floor edge combinations.Note: After the 8.5 version, the program has no longer required such data entry (split).The program handles these works automatically.

 

[huseyinakkus56]

Thank you very much for your help Mr.

 

[Olcay AYDIN]

Hello,

1-) Why does K5 beam divide K29-K30, while K6 beam does not divide K36 beam? How is the beam splitting done?.

The beam splitting process is related to data entry. The K5 beam and the K30 beam must be split so that the D348 and D353 slabs can be correctly identified. K6 beam did not split K36 beam because "divide by intersections" mode is not active. The beam splitting process is done to create a slab corner at the point of the inserted beam (splitter) and the bearing beam (divided). Tile edges are formed from the corners. Splitting the beam does not affect the analysis, it is just a data entry process.

2-) How to join beams? (I also split the K36 beam because I faced the problem of not being able to assign slabs; it merged on its own).

K36 beam is not connected to each other, K36 beam is not connected to each other. The piece appears. In order for you to correctly identify the D351 and D350 slabs, the K6 beam must split the k30 beam. If you delete a dividing beam from a split beam, you cancel the joint point, which the beam will self-join as you did. You probably did something like this.

3-) Although I pay attention to the nodes, I cannot assign tiles. As a solution, I have to divide the beams or curtains, otherwise I cannot assign flooring. Where could the problem originate from? .

I answered this in 1 and 2. The reason for your slab assignment is that the definitions of the inserted beam (divisor) and the bearing beam (divided) are incorrect. Activate the "divide by intersections" mode when defining the K6 beam. The same is true for combinations of curtain-beam, beam-floor edge, curtain-continuous foundation, continuous foundation-floor edge, slab edge-floor edge. Note: After the 8.5 version, the program does not have to enter such data (split). The program handles these tasks automatically.

By stating that I made the data entries as you described above, in the ide 7 version, all objects connected to the nodal point of the dividing and dividing beams can be moved with the node move command, while in the ide 8.5 version only the nodal point of the dividing beam (or only the dividing beam) is moved. In this case, it is perceived that the dividing beam does not divide the other beam. Again, although we give the same name to the beams that are divided by dividing the beam from the same node with the divide beam command (ideal 7 version shows a single beam in this case), it considers the divided beam as two beams with the same name. Is this a normal situation?

 

[HakanŞahin]

Noting that I made the data entries as you described above, while in ide 7 version all objects connected to the nodal point of the dividing and dividing beams can be moved with the move joint point command, in the ide 8.5 version only the nodal point of the dividing beam ( In this case, it is perceived that the dividing beam does not divide the other beam. Again, although we give the same name to the beams that are divided by dividing the beam from the same node with the divide beam command (ide 7 version shows a single beam in this case), the dividing beam is different with the same name. It evaluates it as two beams. Is this normal?

 

[mertçıngı]

GOOD DAY I'M VERY NEW IN PROJECTING I DON'T GET AN ERRORS WHEN I DIVIDE LIKE K32-K33 BUT I GET AN ERROR WHEN IT IS ONE PIECE LIKE K35.

 

[Levent Özpak]

GOOD DAY I'M VERY NEW IN PROJECTING I DON'T GET ERROR WHEN I PARTICIPATE LIKE K32-K33 BUT I GET AN FAULT WHEN IT IS ONE PIECE LIKE K35. (Frame beam) should be defined as a single beam. Generally, you can decide beam names by looking at moment diagrams.

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