B error in polygon column

Re: B error in polygon column? Hello, General rules about column beam joint shear safety are as attached. You can fix it by choosing the method that suits your project.
 
Re: B error in polygon column? I have read this document, but since it is a polygon column, even if I give misalignment, there is no shift in the axes, so nothing changes, I can't make a curtain, I can't change the 145 cm bilayer column directions, I can only define a polygon column because of the architecture. can you help me solve it?
 
Re: B error in polygon column? We cannot comment without submitting your project. If you have made a polygon column around the elevator in the picture, this will not be a correct modeling. You need to model the elevator environment with a curtain/panel.
 
Re: B error in polygon column? I CAN'T LOAD THE PROJECT.. DISTANCES 145 CM SO CAN I DEFINE CURTAINS AT THIS DISTANCE? MIN SCREEN RATIO IS NOT 25/175?
 
Re: B error in polygon column? 1/7 curtain ratio should be considered in a single-arm curtain, U-shaped elevator curtain in your project. It would be more accurate to model it as a panel so that you can model it together as a shell.
 
Re: B error in polygon column?
"YasinTezel":2duedevs" said:
We cannot comment without submitting your project. If you made a polygon column around the elevator in the picture, this will not be an accurate modeling. You need to model the elevator environment with a curtain/panel .
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Why isn't the correct modeling?
 
Hello, I was expecting an answer close to this: İMO Reinforced Concrete I - Bearing Capacity and Section Calculations (Prof. İlhan BERKTAY) July 2003 page -92 Dear İdecad family, but my question is still valid? "YasinTezel wrote: We cannot comment without sending your project. If you have made a polygon column around the elevator perimeter in the picture, this will not be an accurate modeling. You have to model the elevator environment with a curtain/panel." Why not modeling correctly? Should the U-shaped Elevator perimeter be a curtain?
 
In my previous message, I meant do not draw the elements around the elevator as a single polygon column, define them using the curtain command. Of course, it is your choice to make curtains on 3 sides of the elevator or not.
 
Mr. Yasin, solving the U-shaped elevator perimeter curtain (the U-shaped perimeter curtain surrounding its 3 sides) as a polygon column (bar element), which I understand, means moving away from the real approach of the building. Solving it as a curtain means approaching the real approach of the building. In this aforementioned project, since the arms of the Polygon column are h/b>2.5, I think that it is more correct to solve it as a curtain, since the arms of the polygon provide the ratio of 1/7 for the curtain condition. Idecad program will eventually calculate according to the system defined by the user. What definition is appropriate for the U-type elevator environment in terms of engineering and legislation for the program I just want to learn from you: Polygon Column? Curtain? Thank you.
 
It is more accurate and useful to model the program as a curtain in terms of ease of data entry and proximity to building behavior. Considering the effects of the vertical elements on the foundation and considering that there will be a space for the elevator pit on the foundation, in my opinion, the polygon should definitely be modeled as a curtain, not a column. According to the IMO source you wrote and quoted before, and to answer according to the program infrastructure, it is more correct to model it as a screen. Because in the program, curtain objects can be modeled as shell and shell elements. So, considering such a polygon column with many arms and different lengths and dimensions as a rod element means that the overlap between the model and the reality is moved away. At the same time, when you model it as acceptance, its fundamental effects will be much more realistic accordingly. N. YILMAZ
 
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