As a result of the analysis, I could not see the reinforcements of the vault.

onurceylan

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Hello, I watched the video about your tone from the training videos on your site and entered the vault into the system and even had an analysis done by assigning the supports. But as a result of the analysis, I could not see the reinforcements of the vault. Do I need to do something extra to see the vault fittings, I would be glad if you could help me.
 
Re: About the vault The displacements, reinforcement amounts and forces of the dome and vault elements are examined in a 3-dimensional framework. For this; Press the right mouse button on the perspective image. Click the 3D Frame line from the drop-down menu. The perspective view will become wireframe and the View results dialog will open. Check the Dome and Vault Results row. The diagram of the dome will appear in the 3D view. By marking AS1 and AS2, the reinforcement areas in the principal and minor directions can be seen, respectively. If the upper reinforcement areas option is checked, the reinforcement amounts in the upper part of the shell are shown in the diagram. If the option is not checked, the reinforcement amounts in the lower zones are shown. You can also see the numerical values of the dome by moving the mouse over the diagram. In addition, which color corresponds to which numerical value can be followed from the color palette in the perspective image. You can select any upload status from the drop-down list by clicking the upload icon in the lower right corner of the perspective view. 1.4G+1.6Q loading will be the most negative for vault results. While AS1 and AS2 are marked, the line where the diameter and spacing can be defined is activated by clicking on the Existing reinforcement area line. By entering the reinforcement and spacing values on this line, simultaneous color change is observed in the graphic. When sufficient fields value is provided for the entered reinforcement amount, the image is painted with exactly the same color. This process is done both in the upper zone by clicking the upper reinforcement areas option, and for the lower zone by removing the option. In this way, you determine the required reinforcement for the dome for both tension and compression zones in the program. After this stage, you draw the element using the 2D drawing possibilities of the program.
 
Re: About the vault I was thinking that for vault reinforcements, drawings would be started with a formwork plan like other floor formwork plans. If it is as you describe, you have to deal with the equipment one by one. I would like you to add the accessories part to the video you have added to the site about the vault. Just seeing the normal force and moment is not enough for the project friends because...
 
Re: About Vault Dear Onurceylan, you don't see only moment shear force. At every point where you move the mouse on the vault or dome, the reinforcements are c2 / m (you can see it in cm2 at 1m distance). You can see these reinforcements for both the x-direction and the y-direction, and also for the lower face and the upper face of the shell. If you want, you can choose a reinforcement and query the missing areas when this reinforcement is placed, such as Fi 10 / 20.
 
Re: About Tonoz I did exactly what you said, Mr. Hakan; For example, I entered the equipment fi10/15 and they all became white. I could not see this equipment I entered in the reports . I would be glad if you could help me in this matter...
 
Re: About Vault Its function is to inform you. The reinforcement values you selected are the reinforcements you should use in the drawings. They are not visible to reports. Reinforcement values will appear in the reports in " cm2 / m ".
 
Re: About the vault
"HakanŞahin":26hhjape" said:
The displacements, reinforcement amounts and forces of the dome and vault elements are examined in a 3D frame. To do this, press the right mouse button on the perspective view. From the menu that opens, click the 3D Click the frame line. The perspective view will become a wireframe and the Results display dialog will open. Check the Dome and Vault Results line. The diagram of the dome will appear in the 3D image. By marking AS1 and AS2, the reinforcement areas in the principal and minor directions can be seen, respectively. If the upper reinforcement areas option is selected, The diagram shows the amount of reinforcement in the upper part of the shell. If the option is not checked, the amount of reinforcement in the lower zones is shown. You can also see the numerical values of the dome by moving the mouse over the diagram. In addition, which color corresponds to which numerical value can be followed from the color palette in the perspective image. In the lower right corner of the perspective image click the download icon You can choose any installation status from the drop-down list. 1.4G+1.6Q loading will be the most negative for vault results. While AS1 and AS2 are marked, the line where the diameter and spacing can be defined is activated by clicking on the Existing reinforcement area line. By entering the reinforcement and spacing values on this line, simultaneous color change is observed in the graphic. When sufficient fields value is provided for the entered reinforcement amount, the image is painted with exactly the same color. This process is done both in the upper zone by clicking the upper reinforcement areas option, and for the lower zone by removing the option. In this way, you determine the required reinforcement for the dome for both tension and compression zones in the program. After this stage, you draw the element using the 2D drawing possibilities of the program.
I did as you said, in the analysis options, the vault shape does not appear in the shell modeling, I also determined the support conditions.
 
Re: About the vault
"meryemakdil":31nkxmq5" said:
I did it as you said. In the analysis options, the vault shape does not appear in the shell modeling, I also specified the support conditions, I wonder why the upside down reinforcements, moments and aces are not visible?[ /quote] Could you add the vault you created?
 
Re: About the vault Due to the shape of the building, there will be no beams on the upper floors and the vaults are thrown separately, is it a problem?
 
Re: About the vault
"meryemakdil":3ncq0z2l" said:
Due to the shape of the building, there will be no beams on the upper floors and the vaults were thrown separately, is it a problem? It remains empty. In order for the vaults to be supported on the columns, it must be defined in parts as in the example. Also, this vault must be supported only on the columns and the vault must be defined in parts. In the attached example, the upper vault is defined as two parts in the direction of the 7 axis. The lower vault is also defined as two parts in the 5-6-7 axes In order to be supported, it must be defined as a 4-piece vault.
 
Re: About the vault
"Levent Özpak":2niz9zgg" said:
"meryemakdil":2niz9zgg" said:
Due to the shape of the building, there will be no beams on the upper floors and the vaults are laid separately, is it a problem?[ /quote] Hello, The left and right edges of the vaults you created remain blank. In order for the vaults to be supported by the columns, they must be defined in parts as in the example. In addition, this vault should only be supported by the columns and the vault should be defined in parts. In the attached example, the vault at the top is defined as two parts in the direction of the 7 axis. The vault at the bottom should also be defined as a 4-piece vault so that it can be supported on the columns on 5-6-7 axes.
Mr. Levent, thank you very much for your information. How can I reach the amount of reinforcement and how much reinforcement is used? will be the color or will it be the Aces too? fi I placed it at intervals of 10/10, I caught the blue tones, it is not found in insufficient sections, I guess that means enough, but the deformation turned out to be too much?
 
Re: About the vault
"meryemakdil":3501c8i0" said:
"Levent Özpak":3501c8i0" said:
"meryemakdil":3501c8i0" said:
Due to the shape of the building, there will be no beams on the upper floors and Would it be a problem if the vaults were thrown separately?
Hello, The left and right edges of the vaults you created remain empty. In order to support the vaults to the columns, they must be defined in parts as in the example. Also, this vault must be supported only to the columns, and the vault must be defined as parts. The vault on the side was defined as two parts in the direction of the axis 7. The vault at the bottom should also be defined as a 4-piece vault so that it can be supported on the columns on the 5-6-7 axis.
Thank you very much Mr. Levent for your information, how can I reach the amount of reinforcement and how much reinforcement is used? I also read the information you wrote above, will they all be the same color in the deformation part or will they be in the Aces? fi I placed them at intervals of 10/10 I caught the blue tones in the insufficient section I think this means that there is not enough, but the deformation turned out to be too much?
To detect and examine the reinforcement areas on the dome vault; In the Visualization dialog, on the Shell Results tab, select the Dome and Vault Results Components and select, for example, AS1-Bottom side in the right-hand cell. ( 1.4G+1.6Q can be selected for the most unfavorable situation in the loading combination) Reinforcement areas for the selected situation in the color scale will appear in the perspective window. Check the "Available Rebar Area" line and enter a rebar diameter and spacing. When the amount of reinforcement entered meets the required reinforcement area in the vaulted areas, the image is painted with the same color. Do this for AS1-Top side, -AS2 Bottom side, AS2-Top side. In this way, the necessary reinforcement for the vault is determined for both tension and compression zones. Note: The function of this section is to inform you. Here thickness, maximum pursantage etc. no checks are made. Since the vault only sits on the column from 4 corners, it is normal that the deformations are large and high reinforcement areas are needed at certain points. Good work
 
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