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Turkish In the wedding hall project, where I drew the greeting project, the floor openings are wide and the beams are long, I solved this project in normal plaque flooring, but inş.muh. They sent my project back because the room would not have floors and beams in this opening. Can I find other solutions in this project?
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about the floor opening
- Thread starter mhmt_ali
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Mr. mhmt_ali -If you write what the room said clearly, if you gave it back in writing, (which is not according to what specification) -There seems to be a support error in the KZ13 beam. If we see your whole project, we can make better comments and suggestions. Take it easy Unver ÖZCAN
The file is in the attached link. I would be glad if you help.
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Mr. mhmt_ali "wrote that you should review your reinforced concrete frame system for the project of the room, when I called them and asked, they said that the dimensions of the beams and floors were too large." You say: Go to the room and show your project; - Where to review, - how to calculate which size of beams and slabs, according to what specification, and how much is too much. Briefly defend your project. Now, what I saw in your project and my suggestions; 1- Fix the errors in the geometry control 2- Put a screen on your system 3- You have skipped a support on the 1st floor like K126, K125 (the pattern you see on the screen) The plan may not be the modeling you want. There are the same mistakes in other beams, they must be corrected) 4- If you reduce the thickness of the 11*10 slabs correctly, there will be a deflection problem. There may be a cassette between 5-6-11 axis and AP axis. (Beam connections from column to column may remain.) 6- If you consider 1/10 of beam heights for 10 m clear span, 100 cm height is appropriate. (ie beam heights are not too high, go and talk to the room) stair landing level on 7-3 floors -1500cm (this is floor support situation is wrong, this floor should sit on the beam and should be solved together with the ladder) the same situation exists on other floors. In this, the program detects more than one rigid diaphragm. 8- If you are going to include the ladder in the calculation system, solve the system as a semi-rigid diaphragm by processing the ladder or as a rigid diaphragm by having the ladder loads act on the floor or beam. 9- In the beams, pile is no longer used. it would be better if you do it without pleats 10- beam bars are in the span and do not fit on the support, increase the iron diameters, if it still does not fit, put them in the second row or increase the beam width 11- I guess there is a steel roof over the middle of the building. all floors must be corrected (removed) as if they were in each column 12- column point load signs must be reversed and the distance must be zero. Help( F1 ) should be corrected by reading 13- the point load should be arranged according to the position of the fixed support and the sliding support, whichever column the roof loads come from. Take it easy Ünver ÖZCAN
In addition: Even if I were not going to make cassettes in such a system, I would divide them with secondary beams at 2.5-3 m intervals, close to the cassette logic, and reduce the floor thicknesses, reducing deflection and shaking (vibration) problems during use. I would like it to keep the widths of the main beams a little wider and to provide a better combination with the columns. Information about downloads; You can see it from perspective view/3D frame/loads/Element loads-user section. If you make changes to any load and make an analysis, you can understand your mistake in the loads. (for example: enter -9 for a corner column and 0 for the distance and see it). As Ünver said, really reconsider the beam support issue. (1-2nd floor k9 beams should be considered as consecutive beams even though they are not in the same logic. You can notice this in your drawings) Take it easy.
Levent Özpak
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Cork (without beams) flooring can be made by placing flooring in the closed area formed by the floor edge. In cork flooring, analysis should be made according to the semi-rigid diaphragm option."mhmt_ali":98touzox" said:can you help me how to solve cork flooring?